I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.

On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
> frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> terrrain.
>
> The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
> can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin <feltov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> > with my 50-34 setup.
>
> > Brian
>
> > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as
> > > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left-
> > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would
> > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.)
>
> > > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a
> > > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool
> > > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in
> > > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA
> > > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO.
>
> > > Gernot
>
> > > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin <feltov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is
> > > > there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or
> > > > Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And
> > > > about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor?
>
> > > > Brian
> > > > Park City
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html
>
> > > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock.  Crankset and BB for
> > > > > a whopping $529.  Way too expensive for many of us, and too
> > > > > spaceshippy looking for many of us.  That's about what I thought it
> > > > > would cost.  Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run
> > > > > these and show them off.  High-end road bits can still be carbon-free
> > > > > if they want to be.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

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