...and I might be mistaken also. A million apologies if that's the case. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:22 AM, James Warren <[email protected]> wrote: > > But I'm pretty sure your first sentence below is false. I remember the > development of the Atlantis, and Grant's discussions in the readers talking > about going with Toyo to build it exclusively (same thing later with > Rambouillet). I'm pretty sure the establishment of Toyo as the builder had > nothing to do with the reason you give in the first sentence below; I also > saw no evidence that Waterford was ever involved with the making of those > bikes for the Atlantis's first eight years at least. However, don't take my > word for it, because I might not have all the details. Read the old readers, > or ask Grant or someone at Rivendell directly, if you're interested in > knowing how Toyo came into the picture. > > -Jim W. > > On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:04 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > >> I think Toyo was a second choice because Waterford either couldn't or >> wouldn't keep up with demand. And that kind of makes my point. Maybe >> he'll (GP) browse this and weigh in real the actual story. I'm also >> pretty sure Chris @ VO made attempts to get stuff made here but it >> didn't work out. Again, maybe he'll comment. >> >> RGZ >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:18 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> This is such a good discussion, because it points out that Grant P. is >>> looking out for his customers. If someone asked me, which builder >>> would you rather have -- Waterford or Toyo? -- I'd say, sure. It's >>> nice that Waterford is U.S.-based, but I look at it as supporting >>> Rivendell first, and I'll let Grant decide which builders to patron. >>> >>> I was skeptical of Maxway when Grant contracted them for the Bleriot, >>> but once I got my frameset I found it was as nicely built as my >>> Rambouillet and Atlantis in the areas that matter. Maybe not as nicely >>> painted, but it was much less expensive. I used the savings to help >>> offset the cost of couplers and a repaint to a different color. >>> >>> I'm now a fan, generally, of Maxway for less-expensive bikes. I >>> believe my Rawland dSogn was built there and it's just great. >>> >>> Ed Felker >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 22, 11:34 pm, Bob <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry >>>> from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, >>>> kickstand plate and range of sizes. >>>> >>>> In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in >>>> builder? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > >
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