I asked John about what you are talking about.  Not necessarily that the
colors of Toyo were not as impressive than the Waterford but I did notice in
looking at the site that when you look at the last photos on Atlantis, the
colors appear more vibrant versus the older photos.  Even when when you look
at the A Homer Hilson, the second and third photos, the color looks more
vibrant than the others.  John told me it was because they took the original
pictures using a 200 dollar camera and the newer ones were done
professionally using a 48000 dollar camera.   If you check it out, blue does
not look as dark and on the Atlantis, it looks lighter and not as dull than
the first couple of ones.  It could be just the camera.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Rene Sterental <[email protected]> wrote:

> Khalid,
>
> I remember how much I struggled to choose the color of my Atlantis, but
> here is my story... :-)
>
> When I went to Walnut Creek the very first time to see for myself what the
> Rivendell concept was all about, they had me test ride a Homer, an Atlantis
> and a Sam. I hated the Atlantis color on the spot and wasn't too hot about
> the Homer color but loved the Sam green. Still, I chose to get the Homer and
> had the choice between the Waterford or Toyo frames. I liked the Waterford
> blue a lot more than the Toyo blue which is darker and not as "lively", and
> brought the frame home. During those first two weeks, I realized that I was
> loving that Waterford blue more and more every day, that there was something
> incredibly special about it that I couldn't quite figure out.
>
> A few months later I decided I also wanted the new Bombadil, and having the
> choice of color, after a lot of struggling I ordered it in the darkest green
> I could find on the catalog. My idea was to have a bike that almost looked
> black, but when the light shone on it would let you catch the glimpse of the
> green. I didn't want a black bike. I selected my color from the chart and
> after I received the frame realized that while dark green, it wasn't the
> exact match from the catalog and that the painter finds a match from
> whatever is available at the time and/or the perception from the catalog is
> just never going to match the perception of the actual frame color. I still
> loved it and rode it for about 6 months when it became patently obvious that
> it was too large (read long top tube and minimal vertical clearance) for me
> and not wanting to go to the next smaller size which would have required
> 650B wheels (I had already purchased two sets of Dyad wheels from Rick) I
> decided that the Homer fit was what I wanted and since the Atlantis had the
> exact same geometry as the Homer, I decided to order one.
>
> Now, in the meantime, I had come to realize that in contrast to the effect
> the blue Homer color had on me, over time I was growing less satisfied with
> the dark green Bombadil color. What to do? I really didn't like that
> Atlantis color... but then I realized, after looking at some and going to
> RBW a couple of times, that I would have never chosen the blue Homer color
> upfront, but that Grant's knoweldge on bike colors (or whoever chose those
> colors) had matured over time to a point where those colors were having that
> effect on me in a subtle yet very powerful way. I hadn't had a choice on the
> Homer, and decided to just go with the default Atlantis color as well.
>
> I can tell you that it has had the same effect on me as the original blue
> Homer had. The more I see it, the more I love it! And again, the Waterford
> hue has that special "vibrance" that the Toyo paint seems to lack IMHO. Very
> subjective but very clear to me.
>
> I've seen other frames with colors that I love when I see the photo, but
> none that I can say I feel would have the same effect of slowly gaining it
> and increasing it over time. Then again, I have to say that I still "hate"
> the gray color that was chosen for the Hunqa but really like both Sam
> colors, green and orange.
>
> My advice to be discarded is to choose the original color as it is as
> unique as the bike itself! And I want someone that knows what an Atlantis or
> a Homer is to be able to recognize it by its color as well.
>
> No go crazy trying to choose a color!!!
>
> René
>
> PS.- The new owner of my Bombadil absolutely loves its color and I actually
> sold him the matching green B-17 saddle as well. I was approached by another
> guy who also fell in love with that color from looking at my photos and
> wanted to get my permission to request it from RBW (very nice of him!). I
> contacted Keven to get the actual code for the color I had selected and gave
> it to him and as far as I know, he did order it in that exact same color. It
> just goes to show that only you have to love the color you choose and
> everyone else's preferences are theirs...
>
>   On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, James Warren 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Guilty as charged.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: doug peterson <[email protected]>
>>
>> >We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
>> >them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.
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