I'm totally with you on the cheap part.  The cheapskate in me hates
buying something that doesn't work at all.  I bought an early 90's XC
pro front and rear derailer, only to find that I couldn't make it take
a 32 tooth cog.  It was only $40 that I spent on F+R, but I'm such a
cheapskate that $40 wasted drives me crazy.  $60 is more than $20
that's for sure, but knowing that my stock of that derailer will work
on EVERY bike in the stable is pretty useful.  I use the M760 with
suntour retro-friction on 3 bikes and with indexed barcons on my
tandem.  It frankly works better in friction than in index, but on the
tandem its hard to hear the need to trim.  I'm trying to train my
stoker to do that for me, but it's a work in progress.  Rapid rise is
a new thing to me, too, and I was skeptical that it would make any
difference to me, but my Hilsen with Suntour downtube shifters and
rapid rise M760 GS rear derailer is without question the best shifting
bike I've owned.  I would not pay $120 retail for a new XT derailer,
but $60 for a new three-year-old version was an investment that I was
willing to make.

On Apr 7, 10:39 am, Minh <[email protected]> wrote:
> William,
>
> So i use my Suntour XC pro on my Hillborne (135mm PW free wheel, but
> only 6 speed).  I have an early 90's XT (the pewter painted one, not
> the black plastic one) on my cruiser and that's a 130mm 7 speed
> cassette.  my bridgestone uses a road-der (not labeled, it's silver),
> and that's a 126mm 6-speed.
>
> all are friction shifting and i don't have any range issues, i think
> if you are sticking to 7 or below you're fine with these older ones,
> if you're at 8 or above then i'd get a late 90's vintage r der.
>
> For me it's partly i like the old stuff, but also i'm cheap, i'd
> rather pay 20-30 for a beat-up r-der from the early 90's then a new
> modern one. also all the new rapid rise, etc stuff is un-needed when
> all i use them for is friction shifting.

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