I'm probably of no help here.

The stem for each stemmed cockpit is the same... it's the Dirt Drop
100 (26.0 diameter clamp) from RBW (obviously N/A for the Bullmoose/
Tallmoose cockpit).

I deliberately kept the stem the same because I wanted to get the full
effect of the difference in handlebars. I sought the variety, not the
notion of optimization. I've found myself comfortable with each of the
bars, for my 10+ mile-each-way commute and for my 30-50 mile weekend
ride. I'm least comfortable (yet still quite content) with the
Noodles. I do love the feel of the VO elkhide. And it's fun knowing I
stitched it up.

I do vary Dirt Drop's insertion depth to taste. So the difference
isn't entirely in the bar. Though, actually, I max out the height on
the Dirt Drop 100 for the Moustache and Noodle and drop it probably
3cm from max for the Albatross. Since I started out so extreme, it's
not entirely surprising that as I spent more time with more bars, I've
actually *lowered* my Albatross bars from where I originally had them,
which was also maxed out on the Dirt Drop 100. Them bars was high!
Currently, by anybody else's definition, my Albatross bars are still
high (maybe 5-8cm above the saddle... I should do the measuring and
the math and figure it out someday). But man are they comfy!

I expect that, eventually, I'll also get a 200mm extension Bullmoose
bar (which I think would be a slight improvement for the Tallmoose
arrangement) and then allocate the 150mm extension Bullmoose for use
without the extender. Talk about variety! And I expect that, even
sooner, I'll create a more stretched-out Alba arrangement with bar-end
Silver shifters. I think that the use of a Dirt Drop with the
Albatross and bar-ends would pose issues due to the closeness of the
bar-ends. While I very much enjoy where the grips land with the Dirt
Drop / Alba combination I have now, they could also be further forward
and still be fine. And with bar-ends, I think a Technomic 11cm or 12cm
stem might limit the likelihood of getting Silver-stabbed. Seems like
that should kill vampires or werewolves or something.

One thing my cockpit variety has taught me is that, within a pretty
broad range, I may have a preference here or there... BUT (for *me*,
for *my* riding habits, and for *my* riding environment) comfort is
primarily about saddle position (and perhaps about the saddle itself).
Having gotten that right, I can comfortably ride as far as I'm ever
likely to ride on any of my cockpits. The variety is just icing on the
cake.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 19, 8:01 am, Ginz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> Your page is great -- lots of useful information there.  Also, I like
> the Kevin's bag on the front of the bike.  I might try that.
>
> Do you know off hand which stems (model and length) you are using with
> each handlebar?  It would be interesting to compare the exact change
> in effective cockpit length and bar height with your change in comfort
> level.
>
> Ginz

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