I think I have something to offer here.

I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
going for it lol).

I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.

I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.

I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
a bit shorter distance.

If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.

I personally would not get another Sam.

I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those "you
have to ride it to understand" things I think.

I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
suited to answer your questions I think.

On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
> completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
> Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
> they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
> riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
> Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
> over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
> the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
> and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
> Hunqapillar.
>
> To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
> enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
> mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
> Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
> cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
> Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
> Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).
>
> As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
> with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
> swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
> swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
> tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
> possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
> Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
> differences, but differences nonetheless.
>
> So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
> Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
> Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
> can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new
> > bike to do?
>
> > if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  i
> > should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides
> > with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one hillborne as
> > your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.
>
> > personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i travel a
> > lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a
> > lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun little
> > brommie.

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