I'ver had to move my bars up because of my relationship with Brooks B17's. I am not comfortable on that saddle unless the ramps are right at the rear saddle height. And I'm not going to give up that saddle as it's the best fit for my hind quarters ever! I'm right behind you on years Patrick (55) and I have found that postion to be perfect for me. Still "looks" like a drop bar bike should and feels great to ride. ~mike
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