On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 10:12 -0700, hobie wrote:
> Steve. Maybe you are correct about the livelier feel of lighter gauge
> tubing. But will a lighter frame absorb rode shock like the heavier
> gauge? 

More flexible frames are springier, heavier gauge tubing is stiffer.  


> Part of the reason I like my bikes is that when you do get them
> up to speed they feel extremely stable. 

Stability is more a function of geometry than the gauge of tubing.


> I didn't feel that way on the
> Ramboullet that I owned briefly.

That's curious.  I owned a Rambouillet for several years.  Stability at
speed, especially downhill, was a defining characteristic of the bike.



> The lighter gauge would definetly
> help in climbing and sprints if you race.


Yes, I find lighter gauge, more flexible frames climb better for me.  As
for springs, never happen.  I've even given up trying to outsprint a
dog.








> 
> On Jul 22, 12:51 pm, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 09:42 -0700, hobie wrote:
> > >  I own a 58cm 650b Saluki Toyo and a 52cm Waterford Bombadil and can't
> > > imagine a custom Riv is going to ride any better.
> >
> > I haven't paid much attention to the range of choices available with Riv
> > customs.  Perhaps you know: if you wanted either ultra-light OS, or
> > light gauge standard tubing, could you get it?  If so, then yes, a
> > custom Riv /could/ possibly have a substantially livelier ride than any
> > of the standard bikes.   I think most of the Toyo frames had OS 8/5/8 or
> > thicker as the tubing, but OS comes as thin as 5/3/5, and you would
> > surely notice that difference.
> 

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