Rivendell used to have a chart entitled "Sizing Your Atlantis" that
listed PBH, saddle height & frame size.  There was some overlap in
frame sizes.  It lists a 58 cm frame for a PBH of 84 to 89, and a 61
cm for PBH of 87 to 93.  So your 88.9 cm PBH could ride either a 58 or
61 Atlantis.  Since your LHT is 60, and your otherwise comfortable, it
sounds like your darn close now.

The stem riser suggestion above is easy, quick & cheap.  One of my
touring buds solved major comfort issues with one, and his bike came
stock with an adjustable stem and trekking bars.

dougP

On Sep 10, 12:50 pm, mizrachi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry for the confusion...I never have to write my height down.  But
> I'm a bit under six foot one.  I'm six feet and one half inch.  No
> where near six foot five.
>
> On Sep 10, 2:36 pm, charlie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Holy beans brother......at 6' 5" you should fit a 60 or even a 62 cm.
> > I ride a 58cm and I am only 5' 11". It doesn't sound as if your arms
> > are super short or your torso either given the fact that your PBH is
> > 88.9 (mine is 86.4). You may just need to do some flexibility
> > exercises. My bar is a 41 cm noodle so given the height differences
> > I'd say our bikes fit us similarly. I also bought a 75mm stem and
> > thought I was more comfy but realized I was crunching up after riding
> > my new Rivendell SimpleOne. I did some measuring and went back to my
> > old 90mm stem and duplicated the Rivendell fit which has proven to be
> > fine. Regardless a 58cm will be too small for you (get that thought
> > out of your mind seriously) go back and read the Rivendell fit method
> > especially stem lengths etc. and do some measuring of your torso and
> > arm reach. At your height and leg length I can't imagine that you
> > would need a stubby 75mm stem using a 46cm noodle bar unless your
> > shoulders are very narrow and your arms are unusually short. Still,
> > your torso comprises a good deal of your height based on the
> > measurements you've given so it doesn't make sense that you are
> > feeling stretched out. The noodle bar does have a long reach and you
> > may benefit from a narrower bar in that style. Going with a narrower
> > grip (41 cm) effectively lengthens your reach (think about it) but the
> > difference is only about 50mm overall from a 46cm. The same thing
> > happens when you ride the tops but its more extreme. You sound as if
> > you are doing the exact same thing I did....thinking I was stretched
> > out too far and placing my hands on the curve of the bar seemed
> > natural at first. Given all that I would disassemble your fork and
> > take a measurement from the crown race to the top of the threads and
> > compare over the telephone before ordering a new fork. There may not
> > be much difference if any and it may make more sense to have one
> > custom built with a longer steer tube ( if ) that is your actual
> > problem. I think if it were me and it came to that, I would sell the
> > Trucker (fine bike that it is) and purchase something else with more
> > fit flexibility (probably a Rivendell) since I would be able to
> > converse about the fit with them on the same level and get a bike that
> > actually fit right from the start. Hope this helps some.
>
> > On Sep 9, 11:52 pm, mizrachi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The 60cm LHT feels great aside from feeling a bit stretched out on the
> > > hoods.  I'm 6.05' with a pbh of 88.9 so I think I could fit either a
> > > 58 or a 60 but given the type of riding I do and the Riv sizing
> > > philosophy privileging the larger frame, I went with the 60cm.  And
> > > again, the bike is really comfortable.  The only adjustment I feel I
> > > need at this point is getting myself as comfortable on the hoods as I
> > > am on the corners, a few inches behind the hoods.  Would a 58cm get me
> > > there?  I don't know.  My gut tells me a new fork with an uncut
> > > steering tube would help.  But perhaps the solution is simply in an
> > > adjustable stem.  I dunno.- Hide quoted text -
>
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