On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Larry Powers wrote:

> Loaded touring requires different tools that light sport riding.  My Atlantis 
> is not as light and lively as my Rambouilet but I would not take the 
> Rampouilet loaded touring.

As an aside, many "loaded touring" cyclists are really "overloaded touring" 
cyclists.  When I read crazyguyonabike.com reports of people hauling 85 lbs of 
stuff on their bikes my response is "WTF?"

Google "Igor Kovse" who does extended camping tours with about 10-15 lbs worth 
of gear, including things like riding through Tibet, across southern Africa, 
across the US and Canada.  He takes things to an extreme (for example, he rides 
in Crocs because they are lighter than cycling shoes and very comfortable), but 
he hauls less stuff for a month long tour than a lot of people take on an S24O. 
 I did a 10 day non-camping tour of the Alps in 2002 and all of my gear for the 
entire trip fit in my Carradice Nelson LongFlap, probably 10-11 pounds of stuff.

Without the masses of excess stuff turning a bike into a two wheeled Winnebago, 
one can readily tour around the world on a bike like a Rambouillet.  Kovse uses 
an aluminum Giant racing bike with a CF fork, for pete's sake.  Surely a 
Rambouillet would be a much  more graceful choice for that sort of thing.  And 
of course thousands of people have done traditional loaded touring on bikes 
much less suitable for that task than a Rambouillet.  

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