um......what?  I'm not familiar with that phrase.  

On Friday, March 2, 2012 12:23:50 PM UTC-8, z-man wrote:
>
> Until things go vertical.....
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012, William <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Sweating the grams on chainring bolts?  That's an idiosyncrasy
> > Trying to get through life with ONLY ONE BICYCLE?!?!?  That's a major 
> malady 
> > You gotta fix that situation,  STAT!
> >
> > On Friday, March 2, 2012 10:00:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
> >>
> >> I have two, customized, very comfortable and lightweight bikes;
> >> Rivendells, as it happens, both fixed. The gofast (am debating whether
> >> to get it customized into a gearie analogue to the fixed commuter --
> >> we'll see) is indeed fun with its sub 18 lb weight: man, there is
> >> nothing like pushing a 75" gear up a hill with the bike so ligh, and I
> >> generally ride in rolling and windy conditions. The question here is
> >> whether this fun will outweigh the alternative fun of a light, gearie
> >> commuter to complement the fixie one -- one regrets having only one
> >> gear when the winds gust to 40 as they have been.
> >>
> >> The fixie one weighed about 23 lb when I weighed it on a rather
> >> doubtful hanging scale, this with Kojaks, frame pump, lighting, rear
> >> rack and kit but no panniers. It sure feels fast and easy to ride
> >> after I get off my Fargo or the trike!
> >>
> >> The Fargo, with fenders, heavy kit bag, lighting and pump and the
> >> SnoCat/Big Apple wheelset weighs north of 30 lb but my scale won't go
> >> that high; it feels -- heavy, particularly on hills but the low gear
> >> makes hills feel easy. I guess that the Kojak (folding)/Sun Rhyno
> >> wheelset (also dynamo) saves some 3 lb at least, so with that wheelset
> >> I'd guess 30 lb with the heavy kitbag on the bar, again, no panniers.
> >>
> >> The fun of the tank-like Fargo is of course that I can ride it over
> >> everything: if my vertigo (inner ear problem leading to dizziness and
> >> nausea for the last couple of days) gets better, I want to go for
> >> another extended dirt ride in the Bosque.
> >>
> >> The trike is about 28 lb I estimate with lighting, pump but no bags or
> >> kit -- the kit goes in the Hoss.
> >>
> >> The Herse was a tank but felt fast, tho' hill climbing was hard to
> >> gauge as low gears meant that climbing felt so easy.
> >>
> >> The light bikes are ceteris paribus more fun to ride; one ceterum is
> >> the fit: the Rivs just fit better than the Fargo and trike (tho' the
> >> Herse fit as well), but leaving that aside and getting back to the
> >> para, they feel more nimble in accelerating and certainly when
> >> climbing; the also are easier to throw around, as much as one can do
> >> this on fixed gears, and tho' of course other factors probably trump
> >> here.
> >>
> >> The Rivs are also far more expensive than the others but for me, the
> >> extra cost is worth having the best of customization, comfort and
> >> light weight.
> >>
> >> To sum up my experience (over 50 years of riding, 35+ as an adult) I'd
> >> say that weight does matter: more than some things but not as much as
> >> other things.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Patrick in VT <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > not sure i agree - lightweight, uncomfortable and uncustomizable
> >> > aren't tied together.  I'm sure a Roadeo could build up into a very
> >> > comfortable, sub 20lbs bike.  and light bikes are fun!  don't need to
> >> > be a "top rider" (what is that anyway?!) to appreciate a bike that's
> >> > easy to push around.
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Patrick Moore
> >> Albuquerque, NM
> >> For professional resumes, contact
> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW
> >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
> >
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