Tim-- Thanks; both crank and AR are beautiful. I did notice the non-canonical 
bes height.

If I were on my computer I'd post a photo of a lightweight, hollow-arm steel 
crank featured on Classic Ligjtweights UK. Apparently as light as modern 
lightweight cranks and absolutely beautiful. I think the best steel cranks are 
the most beautiful ever made.

All Rounder: my first road  custom was built around that same model with a few 
geometry tweaks--a good design.

Patrick Moore
iPhone

On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hunting around on line, these are the very cranks- Campagnolo Sport:
> 
> http://imagehost.vendio.com/c/3561856/view/campy_steel_crankset.jpg
> 
> Here is another set:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23666168@N04/6477223433/
> 
> I have only ever seen the one example in person...
> 
> 
> My custom 1996 All-Rounder is at the top of the page here:
> 
> http://members.bitstream.net/~timmcn/tour2000.html
> 
> but there are some changes since then.  The most noticeable is that it now 
> has a Nitto small front rack, a Bertoud Mini 86 front bag.  Other changes 
> include Frogs, SunTour Superbe Pro rear derailleur and friction downtube 
> shifter, and there is a Sanyo generator mounted to the Nitto rack because it 
> wouldn't fit onto the chainstays as originally designed, due to the unusual 
> bends of the A/R stays.  I use Pasela 16 x 1.25 tires on it.  The Nelson is 
> on another bike.  The A/R is such a wonderful bike to ride!  
> 
> You may notice that it is obviously much too small by Riv standards.  When I 
> bought it, my intent had been for it to be a road and MTB with a switch of 
> wheels and I used it as such for a few years; it was sized small to provide 
> top tube clearance with my bits and pieces.  With a set of 1.95" knobbies it 
> was a good trail bike, but I really don't enjoy mountain biking all that much 
> and eventually it became a road bike.  In retrospect I should have known 
> better and gotten a 62-63.  Grant tried to convince me, pointing out that the 
> TT clearance issue even in MTBs is over-rated.  Oh well, live and learn.  
> This one still works great with a Nitto Tech Deluxe stem raised up high 
> enough.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
>> Oh, photos, photos, photos, puhLEEZ! I've seen aluminum cottered cranks but 
>> never a steel "cotterless", let alone a Campy one.
>> 
>> (Wouldn't mind seeing the custom, neither.)
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Liesl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Gent on a green riv custom at university and Raymond around 11:30 am. I 
>>> shouted "Nice Riv!" Which one of you did I see????
>>> Liesl on-my-way-to-the-state-fair
>> 
>> That was me.  We thought you shouted "nice rig" and we debated whether it 
>> was in reference to my bike or buddy John's classic Cilo Pacer (with steel 
>> cotterless Campy crank and steel pre-Nuovo Record derailleurs).  Then I 
>> wondered if it was "nice Riv" which then led me to wonder if it was indeed 
>> Liesl, since there aren't that many Rivenistas around here.
> 
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