Smaller frames are sometimes designed with super-steep ST angles to 
mitigate toe-overlap and still allow for short TT/reach.


On Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:32:17 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 15:27 -0700, VeloZen wrote: 
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> > The Surly LHT is certainly a capable machine, no question there. 
> > HOWEVER ... and this is a big HOWEVER ... they have the same problem 
> > as virtually every other mass-production model. The geometry changes 
> > with size range ... far too much, in my opinion. The 46cm frame has a 
> > 74.5 degree seat tube angle! That's insane for a touring bike that's 
> > supposed to be comfortable. In contrast, the 48cm Riv Hunqapillar has 
> > a 71.5 degree seat tube angle ... which only changes to 72 degrees in 
> > larger frames, maintaining a more consistent geometry for all sizes. 
> > Of course, this really only affects smaller Surly frames ... 
> > regular-sized folks don't really have to worry, but for us small 
> > dudes, it's quite frustrating ... but yet another reason to appreciate 
> > Riv design.   
>
> Just out of idle curiosity (as my frames are 59-60cm) what is the source 
> of the problem?  Would things be better if those small frames used 
> smaller wheels as well? 
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