Hey Jeremy-

Do you have a pic of the Bosco bars on your QB? I moved my Albas to my Sam, 
and put Noodles on the QB, but now I want to go back to upright on the QB, 
and I'm not sure if I should get another set of Albas or try the Bosco.

Thanks!

Pete in CT

On Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:47:12 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Keven and I talked about this when I rode the Appaloosa and subsequently 
> bought some Bosco Bullmooses for my Quickbeam.  Keven reports feeling like 
> he actually has more power on his proto-appaloosa with the upright position 
> versus his earlier drop bar bikes.  After putting the Boscos on my 
> Quickbeam (coming from a relatively racy flat bar setup before, which kept 
> my back much more inclined), I can report that I feel absolutely no loss of 
> power going to full-upright, including on long, low-rpm, singlespeed 
> climbs, which you know all about, Patrick.  And in general, I feel less 
> worn out after riding the QB with the upright position versus similar rides 
> on the previous flat bars.  
>
> I'm also amazed at how much better the view is from up there.  I find 
> myself noticing new things, new views on rides that I've done dozens of 
> times before.  
>
> I should note that at least on my Quickbeam, I do run a fairly slack 
> seating position, with a Nitto S84 (40mm offset) seatpost on the QB's 72 
> deg. seat tube, so I do still have a good angle between my torso and legs 
> even when my torso is bolt upright.  As I said before, I haven't seen the 
> Appaloosa geo, but I wouldn't be surprised if the seat tube angle were 
> slightly slacker, like maybe 71 deg, than the more standard Riv designs.  
>
> Also, don't underestimate the number of hand/back positions that are 
> possible with these bars.  If you do need a bit of back inclination, 
> sliding your hands forward is really effective at stretching you out.  
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:38:39 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> One concern I have about using Albatross bars is that I fear that the 
>> upright position might make me lose power (and I don't have much). I always 
>> feel stronger when pushing from well behind the bb with my torso at 45* or 
>> more -- I often naturally fall into the hooks when I want a bit of power up 
>> a rise or against a wind -- the hooks are for power as much as aerodynamics.
>>
>> I look at old roadsters and can see that, with their hugely slack seat 
>> tubes, even sitting upright you have a large bend between hips and torso. 
>> How does this work with a steep 72* or 73* seat tube?
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy Till <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "When I rode the proto, Keven made the comparison to engine placement in 
>> a sports car.  Just going upright on a bike with "normal" chainstay length, 
>> you end up with something like an early 80's Porsche, with the engine 
>> hanging out over the rear wheels, making the front end of the car light.  
>> In bikes, this becomes a problem for attacking steep climbs, since the 
>> front wheel won't stay planted.  According to Keven, extending the 
>> chainstays helps make things more balanced in turn and allows you to stay 
>> upright with your butt planted in the saddle on climbs, rather than lean"
>>  
>

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