As the OP rides in SoCal, I would recommend my personal setup (in North Carolina) of a Patagonia down vest with a Marmot "Optima" Gore-Tex (paclite) shell. I actually like the vest over a long sleeve wool layer when riding in the cold (doesn't overheat, usually), and the Optima jacket is the first jacket I've had that's actually waterproof and breathable/light. I also have a Patagonia down sweater but rarely wear it here since it doesn't really get extremely cold.
The Optima jacket is available at a pretty good discount from Sierra Trading Post (google retailmenot.com for coupons): http://www.sierratradingpost.com/marmot-optima-gore-tex-paclite-jacket-waterproof-for-men~p~3969d On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:31:53 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: > > it doesn't get that cold here. We have a few mornings in the teens, but > that means a sunny afternoon in the 50s or 60s. Now serious cold here is > mid-30s and 90% humidity. That mostly keeps us in, but full-finger cycling > gloves are enough for any winter riding we will do here (and we will > usually layer down before we come home). I've been on the North Slope in a > Stage II blow (50mph, 10 below). They don't make enough layers for that, > because it strips the warm air film away. > > On Friday, October 25, 2013 8:51:25 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> >> At -10˚F it a short ride, to the Post or the waterfalls, so at most a few >> miles. >> >> With abandon, >> Patrick >> >> On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:42:54 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> I decided to try something like this last year, tho' not using ragg wool >>> undergloves but regular PI or whatever gloves. Knit liners for 40F, lightly >>> padded gloves for down to 32F, then some heavy oversized leather work >>> gloves, then some thick leather mitts. It seems as if you get more warm per >>> bulk unit with wool. Minus 10F is far colder than I'll ride; only down to >>> mid teens for me. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not Ron, but the glove system I settled on years ago is a >>>> medium-thick wool glove with a upsized leather glove over it. When >>>> exerting, this works great to -10˚F or so. I add a cotton/leather over >>>> mitt >>>> when it's colder or I'm not active as needed. >>>> >>>> With abandon, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:16:39 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ron: how do those fingerless ragg wool gloves do in wind, or while >>>>> riding in temperatures below freezing? One problem I encounter almost >>>>> always is cold thumbs and middle fingers, the digits that always press >>>>> against the surface of fingered gloves -- even those worn too large. The >>>>> only really warm combo I've used (beside down-filled mittens one day >>>>> X-country skiing at -20F) were thick ragg mittens under an oversized >>>>> nylon >>>>> mitten; but those were very awkward riding gloves since they hindered >>>>> braking and, certainly, shifting. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder how thick ragg five-fingered gloves, full finger or half, do >>>>> for cold riding. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> exactly - synthetic fleece makes you sweat and loses insulation value >>>>>> when its wet. >>>>>> I trout fish in the winter, and if synthetic fleece gloves get wet, >>>>>> they're useless. Filson merino wool gloves will keep your hands warm >>>>>> even >>>>>> if they're wet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/decoy/fish6/cPC280016.jpg> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:25:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I gave up over 10 years ago on what were then late-model tech in >>>>>>> synthetic cold weather insulating gear (I forget the names; the two >>>>>>> tops I >>>>>>> had were thickish, dense knits that didn't stink after you sweat in >>>>>>> them, >>>>>>> and didn't pill like some of the other non-stinking plastic knits). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Despite their lack of odor, and though they felt warm enough in when >>>>>>> riding, as soon as you stopped and your body began to cool, they began >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> feel clammy and cold. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wool, OTOH, doesn't feel clammy and cold when you stop, and I also >>>>>>> find it comfortable in a far wider range of temperatures (as long as >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> temperatures are below 70F). I'd often come in from a 10-to-15 mile >>>>>>> morning >>>>>>> commute wearing a ls wool jersey under a vest of some sort, and wear >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> jersey alone comfortably for a couple of hours at an inside temperature >>>>>>> that was some 30* to 40* F warmer than outside. And of course, no stink. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One other quality of wool: it keeps me warmer in wind, despite its >>>>>>> porousness, than other knits; I will often wear a ls wool jersey over a >>>>>>> ss >>>>>>> one in temperatures of about 40F without discomfort despite the breeze >>>>>>> generated by riding. In fact, a thick, ragg wool Rivendell wooly warm >>>>>>> ls >>>>>>> jersey sweater over a ls wool jersey, plus hat and gloves and leg >>>>>>> covering, >>>>>>> is fine down to freezing if it is not too windy. Dry climate, but our >>>>>>> percentages on cold, winter mornings can be over 50%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM, ascpgh <asc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [Snip] I do commute with an extra insulating garment packed in my >>>>>>>> bag through winter, seems a good bit of habit for any S24O. Need >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> not made sticky feeling by that sub-dripping sweating from what seems >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> comfortable effort on the bike. I do find that being outdoors in the >>>>>>>> evening as the temps drop to be a real education in the dew point >>>>>>>> concept. >>>>>>>> Water is going to condensate at some thermal meniscus between your >>>>>>>> body >>>>>>>> heat/moisture engine core and the falling temps of your surroundings, >>>>>>>> dress >>>>>>>> accordingly. Or as Ted Turner, at the helm of Courageous in the >>>>>>>> Americas >>>>>>>> Cup said of knots, during your inability to recall the correct one; >>>>>>>> tie >>>>>>>> enough of them. 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