Revelate and Rivendell are two ENTIRELY different schools of thought, each 
having their own merits. I own three Revelate bags and sold a fourth (frame 
bag): Viscacha (awful name), Gas Tank and Mountain feed bag. All three get 
swapped back and forth between my mountain bike, fat (snow) bike and gravel 
bike (Fargo), non of which have a rack. Pros: lightweight; needs no rack; fast 
and easy to swap between bikes; affordable. Cons: Viscacha is kinda ugly, if 
that matters.

I also own a Hilsen (for sale!) with Rivendell's medium saddlesack. Like the 
Viscacha, the medium saddlesack swallows everything that I throw into it with 
room for more. Big Riv saddlesacks weigh considerably more and require a rack 
if you can't stand the constant thigh rubbing like me. They are beautiful 
though and that can trump other factors for most. Pros: classic beauty; highest 
durability (?); best resale value. Cons: Expensive; magnet for astute thieves; 
can't be placed on and off quickly for frequent store visits, if that matters.

Sean

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