Thanks for clarifying that, Anne. For normal people you are right. Grin. 3" 
tires no doubt absorb more terrain. While I want to roll over stuff, there 
is a subtle bounce from the change in speed when pedaling in the power 
stroke and wide, low pressure tires bounce with that. That's what I'm 
referring to. I have to play with it more when it isn't 10˚F out to see 
where the line is. As it is I pumped them up minimally, they bounced, and I 
pumped them up likely too much and took off, problem solved. Fortunately, 
it's a good problem to have -- having to figure out the best way to get 
away. Grin. I do want to try try a 3" bike to see how we get along, but I 
am also hopeful that the bike I have may well be all the bike I need.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, January 4, 2014 7:32:37 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm saying that the 3" tires were LESS bouncy than a narrow tire 
> pumped to a high pressure. They just weren't bouncy at all; those 3" 
> tires soak up the bumps. YMMV, of course. 
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> <[email protected]<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > Thanks, Anne. I suspect the vertigo changes the definition of "bouncy" 
> for 
> > me. I can't ride a suspension fork bike for the same reason. So I'm 
> looking 
> > for the sweet spot of the widest tire that doesn't mess me up. Grin. 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, January 4, 2014 7:11:48 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Deacon, when I tried a Krampus, a bike with 3" tires, I didn't find it 
> >> bouncy at all. And those tires are typically run at very low 
> >> pressures, like 15 psi or less. 
> >> 
> >> Soon a Surly Krampus will be joining my stable. I'm looking forward to 
> >> taking it bikepacking. 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Deacon Patrick <[email protected]> 
> wrote: 
> >> > I meant to include that I'm now curious to see if this is enough 
> volume 
> >> > and 
> >> > traction to keep me delighted and now looking toward a 3" tire bike. 
> I 
> >> > did 
> >> > inadvertently test the "bouncy" factor, as I had them under inflated 
> and 
> >> > experienced the bouncy. I might get used to it, but it wasn't happy 
> on 
> >> > the 
> >> > vertigo. Hard to imagine what 3" (let alone 4.7" on a fat bike) would 
> do 
> >> > to 
> >> > me. 
> >> > 
> >> > With abandon, 
> >> > Patrick 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Friday, January 3, 2014 11:39:38 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> First, the only tires I’ve run previous to this on my Hunqapillar 
> are 
> >> >> the 
> >> >> Schwalbe Dureme 50mm, a tire not intensed for many of the types of 
> >> >> trails I 
> >> >> took it on, but a wonderful, high volume touring tire built like a 
> >> >> tank. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Today being the 9th day of Christmas Father Christmas Kringle 
> delivered 
> >> >> a 
> >> >> pair of Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1” tires. A few notes on sizing: 
> Riv. 
> >> >> recommends these as the largest size for the Hunqapillars with the 
> >> >> fancy 
> >> >> paint. There is room to spare for the next size up, but only just 
> and 
> >> >> I’ll 
> >> >> trust them on this that it’s too easy to get a wee wobble and thus 
> rub. 
> >> >> So, 
> >> >> 2.1” it is, and it is noticeably more voluminous than the Dureme 
> 50mm. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I rode the route to Catamount Falls, which involves dirt, asphalt, 
> and 
> >> >> then somewhat packed snow on the final steep climb to the falls. The 
> >> >> Smart 
> >> >> Sams rolled beautifully on the asphalt. Smooth, without more 
> noticeable 
> >> >> noise than the Duremes (though I obviously didn’t compare them one 
> >> >> right 
> >> >> after the other). Big bonus there for me, as noisy tires would be 
> >> >> problematic for my wimpy brain. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> When it came to lose dirt, I peddled aggressively and rode on the 
> >> >> cambered 
> >> >> sections that I would have slipped on with the Duremes. Tires 
> gripped 
> >> >> well 
> >> >> and no sliding. Beautiful! On snow, same thing. Sections I would 
> have 
> >> >> needed 
> >> >> to walk with the Duremes I could ride. Beautiful! 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I think I have found my ideal bikepacking tire. Now I just need to 
> get 
> >> >> a 
> >> >> few pairs before they are discontinued. Sardonic grin. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/11735801436/ 
> >> >> 
> >> >> With abandon, 
> >> >> Patrick 
> >> >> 
> >> >> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> >> >> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> >> >> 
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