sorry, not the same thing, can't really secure them to a rod to make it turn this is a listing for one very close to what i am looking for. the one i am looking for (if they are still made) have about 4 holes _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260314361836_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=26031436183 6) Chris, _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) There are control horns as well... http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=&FVSEARCH=control+horN+ +&search=Go
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