Karen,

Add to your list:
- parallel titles 
- subsequent titles (on source, without collective title)
- edition statement
- series statement
- parallel data for all of the above

But I don't think this approach will work if you want software to generate the 
ISBD punctuation; in which case you need more granluarity, not less.

Deborah

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description 
> and Access [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Karen Coyle
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Linked data
> 
> Ed, that is a very interesting approach. If we treat
> 
>    New York, NY, Random House, c1998
> 
> as a simple string with no data "capabilities" it also 
> emphasizes those areas where we would need to create 
> separately actual data if we wish to provide services, e.g. 
> around place or date. In fact, this is approximately what 
> MARC already does by having data in fixed fields that 
> replicates information that is either transcribed or purely 
> textual. Taking this further, the entire set of transcribed 
> elements, from title proper through date, could be considered 
> a single unit, ISBD encoded for display. Everything else 
> could be represented as separate data elements.
> 
> The downside to this is that it requires some information to 
> be coded and carried twice - once as text and once as data. 
> The way to satisfy both data and display considerations is to 
> generate displays from data (the other way around doesn't 
> work). So a coded date that represents a copyright date could 
> be displayed as "c1998".
> 
> It seems to me that the number of strictly transcribed fields 
> is very small. Is this a full list?
> 
> - title proper
> - subtitle
> - statement of responsibility
> - place
> - publisher
> 
> kc
> 
> Quoting Ed Jones <[email protected]>:
> 
> > "What we need to capture" may be the key phrase here. There 
> are some 
> > MARC fields that would not suffer a loss of information if 
> they were 
> > treated as single elements.  For example, while the 260 
> field consists 
> > of several separately delimited elements, these elements are all 
> > transcribed (more or less) and the transcribed data is by 
> definition 
> > non-standard, dependent entirely on what appears on the source from 
> > which they are transcribed.  From a machine (or Semantic
> > Web) point of view, treating such component elements 
> separately just 
> > introduces a temptation to treat them as though the data they 
> > contained was standardized in some way and so reliable for creating 
> > record sets. Treating these transcribed fields as single elements 
> > would also obviate the need for relating them to one another in RDA 
> > triplets.  If the information in one of the subfields in a 
> transcribed 
> > field is really considered useful for creating record sets, 
> it should 
> > be coded separately in a standardized way elsewhere in the record.  
> > Otherwise, something like the following should
> > suffice:
> >
> > http://lccn.loc.gov/75647252, 
> http://marc21.info/element/260, "[New 
> > York, etc. Elsevier Inc., etc.]"

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