Jane Austen's novel was the basis for the motion picture Pride and Prejudice, 
but it is not the work Austen conceptualized. This would be like someone 
thinking that a t-shirt with the Mona Lisa on it is the work of DaVinci.

Andrea

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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

John, that is a beautiful, eloquent explanation, one that works for me. Thank 
you.




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On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Myers, John F. wrote:

> Kathleen Lamantia wrote:
>
> Well, it seems to me that Pride and Prejudice is Jane Austen's 
> conception (work) no matter what form (expression) it takes, so I would 
> answer your 2nd question, "is the creator the same?" with yes.  As to 
> valid alternatives, that seems to me to be "cataloger's judgment," so we 
> are left with a situation in which book and movie will or will not be 
> the same work depending on perception - and that's no way to run a 
> railroad.
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> My first exposure to FRBR was at an ALA Preconference in 2004, where a 
> slide introducing the Group 1 entities and their relationships included 
> an arrow from Work back to Work, indicating that the Work concept could 
> be extended iteratively to function at higher levels, i.e. in the manner 
> of the "superwork" or "family of works" mentioned in other 
> correspondence for this thread.  I have not seen that illustration 
> since.
>
> All explanations of FRBR since then have clearly articulated that a 
> motion picture adaptation of a novel is a distinct and separate, if 
> related, work.  This has been confirmed by subsequent re-examination of 
> FRBR itself, namely the work attribute Form of the Work.  To be blunt, 
> this is NOT a matter of "cataloger's judgment."
>
> Personally, despite an initial tendency to view novel and movie as 
> belonging under the same work (or at least "superwork"), and a lingering 
> sympathy for that perspective, I have educated myself to respect FRBR's 
> distinction between them as separate works (much as I learned to respect 
> AACR2's take on editors and corporate bodies concerning authorship). 
> This personal journey has been bolstered, as others have observed, by 
> the treatment of such pairings within AACR2 which, insofar as it can be 
> viewed as FRBR compliant, gives them entirely different main entry 
> headings with the implication they historically have been considered to 
> be in distinct work families.
>
>
> John F. Myers, Catalog Librarian
> Schaffer Library, Union College
> 807 Union St.
> Schenectady NY 12308
>
> 518-388-6623
> mye...@union.edu
>
>

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