On August 16, John Hostage wrote :
Subject headings are a specialized area because they are so language dependent. The Bibliotheque nationale de France has developed RAMEAU (http://www.bnf.fr/en/professionals/anx_cataloging_indexing/a.subject_reference_systems.html <http://www.bnf.fr/en/professionals/anx_cataloging_indexing/a.subject_reference_systems.html> ), which I think was based on LCSH. RAMEAU was actually based on the Répertoire de vedettes-matière developed by Université Laval in Quebec and which is itself adapted in part from LCSH. Sources: http://rameau.bnf.fr/informations/convention.htm; https://rvmweb.bibl.ulaval.ca/a-propos. Daniel Paradis Bibliothécaire Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec 2275, rue Holt Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1 Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721 Télécopieur : 514 873-7296 daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca http://www.banq.qc.ca <http://www.banq.qc.ca/> ________________________________ From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Karen Coyle [li...@kcoyle.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 19:18 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions John, thanks for being our "ears on the ground." I think that we have to be careful about how we define "use ISBD", and I had trouble posing that question originally. I think the key question is whether people use the ISBD documentation AS THEIR CATALOGING RULES, or whether they have local catalong rules that are designed to be compatible with ISBD. I don't know if you would consider AACR2 and RDA to be conformant with ISBD (I don't know any of them well enough to make that determination.) My question was intended to be the former: that people actually catalog from the ISBD rules as issued by IFLA. Then we get into Ed's question: is that all? Or do they supplement ISBD with headings for authors and subjects, etc.? And I have yet another question, which is: have they developed a data format that represents ISBD for this purpose? (If so, I'd like to see it.) It does appear that the Finnish library works very closely to ISBD and I have sent them a few extra questions (and I should apologize for taking their time in the midst of IFLA!). Thanks again, kc On 8/15/12 1:32 PM, John Hostage wrote: Ed, I'm sorry, we didn't get into that question. The group is planning an international survey to find out who uses the ISBD, so I'll suggest that they include that question in the survey. John ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Langdell Hall Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu <mailto:host...@law.harvard.edu> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/ <http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/> ________________________________ From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Ed Jones [ejo...@nu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 15:46 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions John If these countries use ISBD, they presumably use it in place of locally elaborated rules for bibliographic description (corresponding to AACR2 part 1). What do they do for choice and form of access points (corresponding to AACR2 part 2), where no comprehensive international standard exists? Ed Ed Jones Associate Director, Assessment and Technical Services National University Library 9393 Lightwave Avenue San Diego, California 92123-1447 +1 858 541 7920 (voice) +1 858 541 7997 (fax) http://national.academia.edu/EdJones From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of John Hostage Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:30 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions I'm at the IFLA conference in Helsinki, so I put this question to the ISBD Review Group. The responses indicated that the ISBD is used as the cataloging code here in Finland. See, for example, this report on the National Metadata Repository (http://www.nationallibrary.fi/libraries/projects/metadatarepository.html) under Subprojects. In Slovenia, the ISBD will be used for cataloging once a translation of the consolidated edition has been completed. In many countries, the adoption of any cataloging rules depends on the availability of a translation into the local language. Because the ISBD covers description only, a translation is sometimes incorporated into a national code that includes headings. The group had trouble understanding how the question was meant because of these complications. Multiple translations of the preliminary consolidated edition are listed at http://www.ifla.org/publications/translations-of-isbd A couple of translations of the consolidated edition of 2011 are listed at http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/international-standard-bibliographic-description and more are in preparation. A document showing full ISBD examples using various languages of cataloging is also available on that page. Russia uses the ISBD for cataloging, but not the new area 0. Italy's new cataloging code REICAT was based on the ISBD, but does not include area 0. ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Langdell Hall Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/ ________________________________________ From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Karen Coyle [li...@kcoyle.net] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 19:43 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions Thanks, Judy. But now I have to ask an ignorant (but perhaps not stupid) question: are the libraries that catalog "directly" in ISBD? I've seen cataloging rules that incorporate ISBD concepts, but I haven't ever encountered a library where ISBD is their cataloging rules. I'm wondering what the resulting "records" might look like. kc On 8/12/12 2:32 PM, JSC Secretary wrote: > An announcement about the 2011 JSC, ISBD, and ISSN harmonization > discussions has been posted on the JSC web site with an indication > that some topics will be addressed at the November 2012 JSC meeting. > > > http://www.rda-jsc.org/2011jscisbdissnoutcomes.html > > > Regards, Judy Kuhagen > JSC Secretary -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
