But whether the statement of responsibility is not clear is a cataloger decision, so there is no requirement implied?
Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Janet Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:31 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information Thank you, Deborah - that is really helpful! It certainly solves a rather similar problem we've had where some of the creators / contributors are only mentioned on the cover. The thing I'm still slightly concerned about for my example below is that 2.4.1.7 doesn't seem to give you any option: it says "If the relationship between the title ... and any person ... named in a statement of responsibility is not clear, add a word or short phrase clarifying the relationship..." To me, that sounds as though the clarification of role *has* to go into the SOR element? If I'm right in that reading, while a 'note on SOR' may be useful it doesn't, I think (in this specific instance), get us round the square bracket problem? To me, it seems as though RDA is forcing you to fail to meet one or other of its stipulations here. I.e. *Either* you ignore 2.4.1.7, transcribe the SOR precisely as it stands on the t.p., and just put the clarification in a 500 'Note on SOR' as you suggested; *or* you ignore the order of preference of source groups b) and c) in 2.4.2.2 and say "I've taken this info from outside the resource (from the publisher's website, say)" and can then square-bracket the clarifying phrase in the SOR element itself. At least at the moment, I can't see a good way to satisfy both instructions. Thanks very much, Janet. On Tue, 18 Dec 2012, Deborah Fritz wrote: > Janet Davis [Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:11 AM] said: > > Not an answer, sorry, but we've recently come across a very similar > issue with statements of responsibility. > ---------------------- > I agree with Janet's reasoning: > - 2.4.2.2: "Take statements of responsibility relating to title proper > from the following sources (in order of preference): a) the same > source as the title proper (see 2.3.2.2)" > > - Since a Statement of Responsibility Relating to Title Proper is > provided for these particular persons on the same source as the Title > Proper, that is the statement that must be transcribed as given. > > - But then there is 2.4.1.7 which allows us to clarify the role of the > person, etc., using square brackets but that specifically restricts > that clarification to "information [that] was taken from a source > outside the resource itself as instructed under 2.2.4." > > I think that you have to go back to 2.4.2.2, and see that Statement of > Responsibility Relating to the Title Proper data can also come from: > b) another source within the resource itself (see 2.2.2) > c) one of the other sources of information specified under 2.2.4. > > So, if the information comes from "another source within the resource > itself" it is not given in square brackets, but if it comes from "one > of the other sources of information specified under 2.2.4" then 2.2.4 > says " If information taken from a source outside the resource itself > is supplied in any of the elements listed below [list includes > Statement of Responsibility], indicate that fact either by means of a > note or by some other means (e.g., through coding or the use of square > brackets)." > > So, if you use the square brackets you are implying that the > information came from outside the resource. > > Which leaves only the note instructions at 2.20.3.5 for recording > clarification or roles in this situation: "Make notes on other details > relating to a statement of responsibility if they are considered to be > important for identification or access." > > And in MARC terms that would mean that a note about clarification of > role would be given in a 500 general note as something like: > > 500 $a Cover clarifies responsibility relationships as: edited by Person > 1 and Person 2. > > This is far more clunky than using the square brackets, but it is in > line with restricting the use of square brackets to only be for > "information taken from a source outside the resource itself". > > How does that sound? > > Deborah > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Janet Davis > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:11 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title > information > > Not an answer, sorry, but we've recently come across a very similar > issue with statements of responsibility. We have books with SORs > varying between the different sources of information, e.g.: > > T.p. version: Person 1, Affiliation 1, Person 2, Affiliation 2 Cover > version: edited by Person 1 and Person 2 (and the people actually > *are* editors, not authors) > > Then 2.4.2.2 (prefer same source as title proper, i.e. here the t.p.), > 2.4.1.4 (transcribe as appears on source, here t.p.), and 2.4.1.7 (add > text clarifying relationship in square brackets) together seem to > suggest transcribing as: > > [edited by] Person 1, Affiliation 1, Person 2, Affiliation 2 > > - but the reasoning given for the square brackets in 2.4.1.7 seems > wrong, as the 'supplied' text actually does appear on the resource, > just not on the t.p. itself. > > One suggestion was to use the text as above but *without* square brackets. > But then this seems wrong too, as the full text string: > > edited by Person 1, Affiliation 1, Person 2, Affiliation 2 > > appears nowhere on the resource, yet this is supposed to be a > transcribed element. > > I also feel that I must be missing something somewhere... > > Thanks, Janet. > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2012, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: > >> I'm mulling over RDA 2.3.4.2: "Take other title information from the >> same source as the title proper." > [DF:] [snip] > > -- > Janet Davis > Betty & Gordon Moore Library, Wilberforce Road, Cambridge, CB3 0WD. > 01223 765676 * ji...@cam.ac.uk * http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/BGML/ > -- Janet Davis Betty & Gordon Moore Library, Wilberforce Road, Cambridge, CB3 0WD. 01223 765676 * ji...@cam.ac.uk * http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/BGML/
