Based on typography, I think you've made a perfectly fine case for doing 490 1
Champs ; $v [no.]. $a Essais ; $v [no.] No bracketing needed for the main
series.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
On Mon, 5 Aug 2013, Dana Van Meter wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:18:42 -0400
From: Dana Van Meter <vanme...@ias.edu>
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Hi Kevin and others,
I started writing this message before John & Deborah's comments came in,
but I'm going to include some further information because it seems that it
might change Kevin's decision. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I'm
sorry I didn't include this information in my first message, as it could
be useful. On the cover Champs is in red text and it's larger text,
essais is in smaller black text in a different font and it appears
somewhat in superscript next to Champs. It appears the same way on the
t.p., however it's all in black lettering on the t.p. The subtitle essais
follows directly after Champs, there is no space in between the two
titles. Perhaps Champs being in red text that is larger is to
represent/suggest the main series, even though it is immediately followed
by essais.
I guess I have to get used to the 500 with the numbering and the 830
combination, it seems so foreign to me, although it shouldn't, it was done
with Republications in AACR2, although the 830 in question with
republications is for the earlier publication. A 490 with Champs in
square brackets also seemed odd to do in RDA, but subseries are always a
mess due to layout issues by publishers, and I do fairly often have a
similar situation to this where series titles appear separately from their
numbering and transcribing becomes a bit tricky, so I thought I'd ask for
advice sooner rather than later. I didn't know it was acceptable to have
an 830 without a paired 490 in RDA, so it is good to know that that is an
option. If my above further info. about the color of the text and the
differing fonts and superscript text changes anyone's decision please let
me know.
Thanks everyone for your patience and help.
Sincerely,
Dana Van Meter
Cataloging Librarian
Historical Studies-Social Science Library
Institute for Advanced Study
Princeton, NJ 08540
vanme...@ias.edu
P.S. Thank you Deborah for the rule numbers. I'm wondering if in the 490
if I would do what John suggested, which is to do Champs essais, as it
appears with the lower case "e" in essais on the book, and without a
period, and then do it Champs (Flammarion (Firm)). Essais in the 830.
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Main series & subseries
I fully agree with Dana's initial determination that the main series title
should be recorded in brackets. As described below, the word "Champs"
appearing on the resource seems to be clearly referring to the subseries
title. I suppose it's possible that the two words could be presented in
different ways graphically, giving the sense of the statement referring to
the two separate entities: "Champs" and "Essais". But if it reads as as
single phrase "Champs essais", then the main series is only implicit, and
should be given in brackets.
Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
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(847) 491-2939
Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Dana Van Meter
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 2:46 PM
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Subject: [RDA-L] Main series & subseries
I have a book which is issued in both a main series: Champs (Flammarion
(Firm)), which is numbered, and in a subseries: Champs (Flammarion
(Firm)).|p Essais, which is unnumbered. My book is a paperback. The
subseries appears at the bottom of the front cover of my book as Champs
essais. The subseries also appears at the bottom of the t.p. as Champs
essais. The main series does not appear in name by itself anywhere on the
book, but the numbering for the main series does appear at the bottom of
the spine.
My question is, as Champs does not appear alone anywhere, but only appears
with the subseries title Essais following it, it seems that I would need a
second 490: 490 1_ [Champs] ;|v 988, with Champs in square brackets, as
Champs never appears by itself. I hesitate to do a single 490-490 1_
Champs ;|v 988. |aEssais, as the numbering appears by itself on the spine,
it does not appear alongside Champs essais. I know that in RDA one is
only supposed to use [ ] when the information doesn't appear anywhere on
the book, and is being taken from elsewhere. In my case Champs does
appear, but it does not appear by itself with the numbering, it appears
only followed by the subseries title. The way I see it, the name of the
main series doesn't appear anywhere by itself, or in conjunction with both
its (the main series) numbering and the subseries title, so I need to
supply it in a separate 490 and in square brackets. I'm wondering if
anyone would consider that the square brackets are unnecessary as Champs
appears on the publication followed by the subseries title?
Thanks very much for your advice.
Dana Van Meter
Cataloging Librarian
Historical Studies-Social Science Library
Institute for Advanced Study
Princeton, NJ 08540
vanme...@ias.edu
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