I don't think either is right or wrong. In NARs we use terms from LCSH as a
thesaurus, but don't necessarily follow SHM guidelines on specificity or arrays
of headings, which are specific to bibliographic records.
In NARs, 372 and 374 often have a post-coordinate relationship that has no
formal written guidelines (though we give our take on it in the BL Guide to RDA
Name Authority Records, in the Toolkit, in the section on 374).
Regards
Richard
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity
In the field of music, I somewhat disagree with you Bob. I would say Punk rock
music is the field of activity for people or groups that perform that type of
music. For a music critic, I am much more inclined to add --History and
criticism because they aren't performers. Their field is punk rock criticism,
which is expressed in LCSH as Punk rock music--History and criticism. To me
the difference of the term with and without the subdivision is important and
differentiating. But this is just my take on it. In my mind, I think of
applying the verb "do" or "make" (an activity) to what's in the 372 field. A
punk rock group does/makes punk rock music. A punk rock critic does criticism
of punk rock, (s)he doesn't make punk rock itself.
Adam
Adam Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
asch...@uw.edu
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013, Robert Maxwell wrote:
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:29:10 +0000
> From: Robert Maxwell <robert_maxw...@byu.edu>
> Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity
>
> I agree. The field of activity is "War crimes" or "Punk rock music." What you
> actually do in those fields is specified in 374 ("College teachers" "Music
> critics"). I don't think subdivisions such as "History and criticism" or
> "Study and teaching" are necessarily wrong, but I don't think they're
> necessary (unless, as Sara points out, your field of study is the study and
> teaching of a particular topic). I'm also not saying that subdivisions are
> never necessary. For example, I've frequently added fields of activity for
> historians specializing in Ancient Greece, and I do use "Greece-History" and
> possibly a subdivision even more specific depending on their specialty.
>
> Bob
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
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>
> "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to
> the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
>
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Layne, Sara
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:10 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity
>
>
> I think what we may have here is an interesting example of the issue of
> "aboutness" vs. "is-ness" as it applies to people (or any Group 2 entity),
> rather than to resources.
>
>
>
> And we do seem to have conflated the two within Field of Activity.
>
>
>
> If one uses "Study and teaching" to try to make the distinction, what happens
> when someone's research area*is* the study and teaching of a particular
> topic? Rather than the topic itself?
>
>
>
> Sara Shatford Layne
>
> Cataloger (Retired but still interested in these problems)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
> Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Adam Schiff
> [asch...@u.washington.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:56 AM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity You can also
> add subdivisions to main headings to clarify the context. For
> example: War crimes--Study and teaching or Genocide--History or many
> other ways to be more specific. I believe that LC is going to be
> making --Law and legislation available for use under crimes as well.
> See the announcement at
> http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/crime-law-and-legislation.pdf
>
> Adam
>
> From: Robert Bratton<mailto:rbrat...@law.gwu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:35 AM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity
>
> Field of activity is pretty broadly defined in RDA 9.15 as a: "field of
> endeavour, area of expertise, etc., in which a person is engaged or was
> engaged." You could propose that Field of endeavour and Area of expertise be
> two separate data elements, but for now they are lumped together.
>
> Being in a law library I have run into this issue because legal academics
> often write about unsavory topics. When I put terms like "Rape" or "War
> crimes" or "Family violence" in the Field of activity data element I often
> pause and think, "Wait, am I making it sound like this person is a
> perpetrator of these things?"
> Thus:
> 372 $a War crimes $a Genocide $2 lcsh
> 374 $a Law teachers $a College teachers $a Authors $2 lcsh and
> 372 $a War crimes $a Genocide $2 lcsh
> 374 $a War criminals $a Generals $2 lcsh
>
> For the punk rock example you could also have:
>
> 372 $a Punk rock music $2 lcsh
> 374 $a Punk rock musicians $2 lcsh
> and
>
> 372 $a Punk rock music--History and criticism $2 lcsh
> 374 $a Music critics $2 lcsh
> Robert
> --
> Robert Bratton
> Cataloging Librarian
> George Washington University Law Library Washington, DC 20052
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Moore, Richard
> <richard.mo...@bl.uk<mailto:richard.mo...@bl.uk>> wrote:
> Ricardo
>
> All you are doing with "372 Punk rock music", is expressing that the person
> has that field of activity. It's the 374 that tells you their occupation, in
> relation to that field:
>
> 372 $a Punk rock $2 lcsh
> 372 $a Punk rock musicians $2 lcsh
>
> or
>
> 372 $a Punk rock $2 lcsh
> 372 $a Music critics $2 lcsh
>
> and of course you can put more than one thing in 372:
>
> 372 $a Punk rock $a Musical criticism $2 lcsh
> 372 $a Music critics $2 lcsh
>
> Regards
> Richard
>
> _________________________
> Richard Moore
> Authority Control Team Manager
> The British Library
>
> Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806
> E-mail: richard.mo...@bl.uk<mailto:richard.mo...@bl.uk>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
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> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.
> CA>] On Behalf Of Santos Muñoz, Ricardo
> Sent: 14 November 2013 10:07
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
> Subject: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity
>
> Hello again.
>
> I'm wrangling with some of the 3xx fields for authority records, in order to
> produce some policy for using some of them in a coherent and fruitful way.
> I'm facing some problems, and neither the MARC field itself, nor RDA
> instructions, nor the use I've seen out there gives me a clear view.
>
> The main bump in the road is field 372. Let's say I'm working on Joseph
> Stalin. I'd like record and retrieve him as a politician (374), as a member
> of Communist Party of the Soviet Union (373), but I'd like to relate him with
> communism. So, recording "Communism" in 372 seems perfect for that purpose.
> But I would also record Comunism in 372 for a scholar historian on communism.
>
> Summing up, if I record 372 Punk-rock, Am I expressing that the guy is a
> musician (374), specialized in doing punk-rock music, or Am I indicating that
> he/she is a music critic (374), expert on punk-rock music?
>
> Thanks in advance for opinions and experiencies.
>
> Ricardo Santos Muñoz
> Depto. de Proceso Técnico
> Biblioteca Nacional de España
> Tfno.: 915 807 735
>
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