Hi,

it seems that the answer to my initial question depends on how the prescription:
"stereobonds between stereocenters should be avoided at all costs"
is followed.

Many thanks!

Jean-Marc


Le 10/03/2021 à 20:24, Ling Chan a écrit :
Hello Mark,

I thought you could depict it like the attached, since only the narrow end of a wedged bond counts. Sure, it is confusing, but it is doable. Except that in section ST-0.5 of the IUPAC guidelines pointed out by Greg https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1351/pac200678101897/html <https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1351/pac200678101897/html> it says that "stereobonds between stereocenters should be avoided at all costs".

Just that there are times when "stereobonds between stereocenters" are not avoidable, if all four neighbours of a chiral carbon are themselves chiral.

I guess for practical purposes having H's could make things clearer, but in theory you may not need them for chiral atoms.

Ling


Mark Mackey via Rdkit-discuss <rdkit-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:rdkit-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net>> 於 2021年3月10日週三 上午2:33寫道:

    I believe it's not possible to represent the chirality of the
    attached molecule's ring fusion carbons without using an explicit H.

    Regards,
    Mark

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    Dear all,

    my question of the day is more general than directly related to
    RDKit but the link is indirect.

    Is it always possible to represent an organic molecule in 2D with
    all necessary configuration hints (bond wedges pointing to the
    front or to the back) without introducing any explicit hydrogen atom?

    May be my question is very naive, all my apologies in advance for
    that.

    Best,

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