Todd Cory
Hi Todd,

Congrats on the off-grid solar application to improve quality of life.

I will defer to my more learned colleagues re the optimum water pressure pump.

If you don't want to use any electricity to create the hot water, then you want 
to use a natural draft tankless. (Like a conventional tank, no electricity 
required.) Please be aware of the minimum flow requirements to turn on the 
tankless - something on the order of a half gallon per minute. Less flow than 
that and the tankless will not fire. If you can find any, the (out of 
production) piloted Paloma PH series (some folks have said it resembles R2D2) 
would work on much lower water pressure than the Bosch series which work 
reliably only with a minimum of 30 psi (e.g. the lower limit of your pump 
switch would be set to 31 psi or more).

The hydro generated Bosch model sounds great in principle and were able to 
provide you a tax credit in the previous tax credit program . What is required 
for the hydro generated models to work (in addition to the hydro generator) is 
an expensive electronics box and a multitude of connectors which IMHO are not 
up to the rigors that the piloted models offer, especially in less than 
pristine environments. The piloted models utilize a thermocouple which most 
everyone is familiar with and has many fewer connectors. Most all the natural 
draft piloted tankless machines incorporate a piezo igniter like on your BBQ 
grill, so turning off the pilot manually and relighting as required is nowhere 
near the contortionist effort experienced with a tank and provides the savings 
of no pilot gas usage when not working.

Good luck,

Bill Loesch
Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Todd Cory 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:58 PM
  Subject: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question


  I am working on a semi-volunteer job for a local non-profit. It is off grid 
with water being trucked in and stored in a ground level polyethylene tank. 

  I need recommendations for:

  1) A 24 volt DC pressure pump. This is a single residence so can be 
relatively low volume as it will only feed a shower or sink... no irrigation.

  as well as 

  2) Which tankless (propane) hot water heater would be best? I think there is 
one that uses the water flow to spin a tiny generator that ignites the burner. 
Being off grid it is important to not have a unit that draws power 24/7.

  Thanks,

  Todd

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  Todd Cory
  KE6SXS
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Mt. Shasta Energy Services
  License C-10  #811428
  P.O. Box 689
  Mt. Shasta, CA. 96067
  (530) 926-1079

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