Good wire splices and connections require good mechanical connections first. 
Some people like to solder the wire after they make the mechanical connection, 
but solder can hide a bad mechanical connection and provide a place for 
corrosion to form.

Joel Davidson




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From: The Office of Tom Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: RE-wrenches <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:48:28 AM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Soldering electrical conductors


About 28 years ago I read a study, by either Niehoff or Prestolite, on the pros 
and cons of soldering or crimping, heavy duty starter cables, for over the road 
trucks. 
 
The finding was, that a properly crimped lug made a solid (molecular) 
connection while solder did not make as good a connection because solder was 
not as good a conductor as copper. They concluded that the crimped connection 
carried more amperage and did so over the long haul. 
 
We use an air over hydraulic crimper on all our cables with a hydraulic gauge 
reading of 10,000 lbs PSI. I have done a pull test with this connection by 
pulling a truck behind another with this connection
 
Tom Duffy
The Solar Biz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of North Texas 
Renewable Energy Inc
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:08 AM
To: RE Wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Soldering electrical conductors


Wrenches
Over the years I have heard almost nothing about soldering of electrical 
connections in PV circuits, AC or DC. The only reference I recall is from the 
recommendation that one should crimp AND solder larger compression fittings to 
assure a permanent connection. There were references to factory made battery 
cable crimps not holding after installation and during the final "pull-test". 
I can't find any reference to the practice in the NEC, either pro or con. It 
seems that any technique so susceptible to poor results would be at least 
addressed. 
The reason I want to definitively address this practice, by the Wrenches 
community, is this.
A group of PV industry specialists were invited to help develop a curriculum 
for a state funded technical college with 4 separate campuses. The Waco Campus, 
with the fuel cell and wind degree programs,  is now creating a solar installer 
technician degree program. 
A group of experts spent two days picking our brains to help create an overview 
plus detailed duties, tasks and the separate steps involved in the 
design/installation process.
So now that the initial draft is finished we are asked to critique it. One of 
the "General Knowledge" items is soldering techniques. 
I need to mention that the degree will cover both PV and thermal installs. Of 
course some soldering is necessary in the thermal installation process, less 
since the introduction of compression connections, but I'm interested in 
addressing the electrical side. 
If any negative long-term effects from solder joints have been discovered I 
would like to hear about them. If they seem serious enough, I would consider 
recommending that the staff include a clarification that electrical soldering 
should be avoided. If the long-term effect is negligible, it is still possible 
to do an electrically poor job even using top quality equipment. 
I'll defer to the collective knowledge of this organization.
Thanks as always
Jim Duncan
North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
817.917.0527
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.ntrei.com 
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