Wrenches,
As I sometimes do here, I sent a Wrench question about the monitoring function of the Apollo T80 controller to Apollo, with an offer to post a response. Here ya go. Note that the first paragraph of the answer is key; the rest is basic FAQ stuff for homeowners. In short: it works like a Tri-Metric, because that technology is incorporated into the T80 under license.
Allan


From: John Pfeifer
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:52 AM

 

Here is the answer to your question in the form of an FAQ which we can clean up and then publish it on our website.  

 

Question:   How does the State of Charge energy meter determine when the battery is full?

 

Answer:  The State of Charge readout or Energy Meter works exactly like the ever popular Tri-Metric meter from Bogart Engineering.  Apollo Solar licensed the technology from Bogart Engineering so our T80 would display the same numbers as everyone’s Tri-Metric.   When the T80 is first installed, it has no way of knowing the state of the battery so it displays ??? on the front panel LCD.   The battery is charged through the normal cycles of Bulk and Absorb and when it finishes the Absorb stage, and the battery is full by definition, it goes into the Float stage.  At this point, the T80 tells the internal State of Charge software that the battery is at 100%.   We often look at this like filling the gas tank of a car: the only way to really know that the gas tank is full is when the gas is dripping from the filler port.   

 

By the same gas tank analogy, when the T80 is set up it has to be told how many gallons the gas tank will hold.  This is the Amp Hour capacity of the battery.  There is some elegance in integrating the State of Charge meter into the charge controller since only the charge controller knows exactly when the battery is full as it goes into the Float stage.

 

While we are on the subject, we should describe how the Energy Meter follows the actual State of Charge of the battery and why it is the best method.  A current shunt is required in the system which is wired such that all the current that goes into and out of the battery must pass through it.   Starting from the 100% full state at Float, the T80 software counts current that is discharged from the battery and subtracts it from the total Amp Hour Capacity that was programmed in as the full battery capacity.   When the battery is charged, all the current going into the battery is measured and added to the total.  Even though this running total can sometimes get a little off when the battery is old or has some weak cells, it is much better than measuring the battery voltage.   First of all the running total is reset to 100% every time the battery goes into float mode.   In order to get an accurate state of charge reading by measuring the battery voltage, all the charging sources and loads must be disconnected from the battery and it must rest for about 20 minutes.  Since this is not practical in a real installation, the battery voltage is often measured under load or while charging, which give totally erroneous readings.    

 


-------- Original Message --------

Date:

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT)

From:

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I'm sure that's all cleared up for current versions, by now.

Now a couple of years later, we've had zero trouble, and we are running well over 70 amps continuous.

The wireless Trimetric meter option is a pretty good reason to use Apollo for off grid projects, too.

So do the charge controller and amp hour meter communicate so they agree on when the batteries are fully charged?

Todd



On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:02pm, "R Ray Walters" <[email protected]> said:

We have a couple out in the field. A bit of hassle to upgrade the firmware at first, but Apollo was very helpful, and sent us a free interface to do the update.

is a pretty good reason to use Apollo for off grid projects, too.

 

R. Walters

Solar Engineer

 

 

Allan Sindelar
Allan@positiveenergysolar.com
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Positive Energy, Inc.
3201 Calle Marie
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com

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