It sounds like your power room is getting too hot in the summer months.  Adding 
a solar attic fan and/or more ventilation may really help keep the batteries 
and equipment healthier.  I have seen batteries destroyed by loosing too much 
water during summer charging.  I would try to repair or replace the bad cell 
for now.

 Nick Soleil
Project Manager
Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC
PO Box 657
Petaluma, CA 94953
Cell:   707-321-2937
Office: 707-789-9537
Fax:    707-769-9037




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From: Mark Frye <[email protected]>
To: RE-wrenches <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 8:21:06 PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] For Big Bank Off Grid System Connoisseurs

 For Big Bank Off Grid System Connoisseurs 
Here are details of a system I am working with: 
2 hours south of Sacramento CA and west into the coast range for 5 miles and 30 
minutes on a rough dirt road is an improvement. The improvement consists of a 
large main house, 2 separate guest cabins, and a four car garage, all built out 
of logs from British Columbia. Out back and up the hill is a power house.  
There is a well with bad water and a satellite telephone, no PG&E. Most of the 
time no one is around, but a few times a year, folks show up and have a party.
This off-grid power system consists of 16 - Enersys 1690 AH @ 20 hour HUP 12V 
forklift batteries. The batteries are arranged in 4 strings of 4 batteries each.
There are 10 - Outback VFX3648 inverters in a 2 phase stack. 
There is a Kohler REGZ 30 KVA propane powered generator. 
Also included is about 5 KW worth of Astropower 120 modules plugged into 2 
MX60s. 
A Trimetric TM-2020 watches the charge flowing in and out of the battery bank. 
The system has run without interruption or major problem for 6 years. However, 
recently we have had our first major service on the generator, our first smoked 
inverter, and we have a dead cell in one of the batteries.
Besides the occasionally high demand use events, the stand by conditions run 
along two seasonal veins: In summer the main demand besides the usual 
refrigerator and alarm system is pumping and treating irrigation water; In the 
winter heating systems run to keep the buildings warm.
The contribution of the PV is secondary. On a recent visit the 2 MX's generated 
about 30KWH of energy in a day. However, this significant contribution to the 
system is generally not sufficient to completely offset the summer standby 
loads and the generator will run according to it's AGS setting about once every 
2 - 3 weeks.  In the winter the generator runs more often.
I have the AGS running on Volt Start and it appears that the generator will run 
after somewhere between 2000 and 3000 Ah have been removed from the bank. Once 
started the charge settings are bulk to 60V, absorb for 12 minutes and 
shut-off. In the winter the chargers can run at almost their full power and 
deliver about 360 A during the bulk phase. In the summer the chargers fold back 
significantly due to heat in the power house. This folded-back charge rate is 
what has dictated the charge regime. Not wanting to run the generator at reduce 
capacity for extended lengths of time means getting the voltage up through the 
bulk phase as best as possible in the summer and then bailing on the absorption 
phase. This has been the one-size-fits-all setting that has been running all 
year round for 6 years.
Recently I checked the specific gravity of the batteries at the end of the 
normal charge cycle and got 1260 in most cells. Interestingly enough I then put 
in an additional 1200 Ah and the sp didn't budge.
My sense is that the bank, on average, has been getting charging up to about 
80-85% of full and then discharging to about 50-55% of full.
So there you have it. Perhaps a lamentable state of affairs, but the state of 
affairs none the less. 
I know there are many many possibilities for this system. The owner would 
prefer to manage on-going maintenance costs as opposed to making significant 
capital expenditures on major system reconfigurations.
Here is what I am thinking of doing: I want to remove the string of batteries 
with the bad cell completely from the system. That gives me an increase in my 
bulk charge current for the remaining strings and reduces the number of 
parallel strings. I also want 4 times a year to adjust the charge parameters to 
match the seasonal condition including tacking on as much absorption time as 
feasible.
So what to do with all those extra batteries? Can I cut them all out into the 
individual cells, drain the acid and keep them in storage, available to replace 
bad cells in the future?
Any advice? 
  
Mark Frye 
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 
303 Redbud Way 
Nevada City,  CA 95959 
(530) 401-8024 
www.berkeleysolar.com  


      
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