Ray, without a Mate how do your clients initiate an equalize charge via generator ? Do you just set the Bulk Charge volts at an equalize V level ?

Carl,
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On 10/17/2011 10:09 PM, R Ray Walters wrote:
For this and cost reasons ($295!) I almost never offer a MATE on my Outback systems. We just keep one on the truck adjust everything, and then pull it. I've waited for close to 10 years now for the computer interface, so you could pull everything up in a Windows screen, click on the particular parameter for more info and adjustment. The Pentametric does that, and its nice except for the old serial connection. William, I'd be interested in being on the manual review board. Do we get paid anything or is it sort of like all that unofficial product beta testing we've done......

R. Walters
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Solar Engineer




On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:25 PM, <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I am in full agreement.
The Outback remote darn near needs a college degree to operate.
The sensitive parameters you mentioned should be in the password protected area.

Mark

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: [RE-wrenches] Instruction manual / User interface rant
    From: William Miller <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
    Date: Mon, October 17, 2011 7:49 pm
    To: RE-wrenches <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>

    Friends:

    I just returned home from a long drive to troubleshoot a problem
    with an Outback FX system.  I found that the customer, in the
    process of using a remote Mate to start the generator, had
inadvertently turned the global charge control setting to "off". This causes a problem that is very serious but hard to detect: The generator will run but it will not charge the batteries. No
    one can know how long ago this was done, but in the meantime the
    customers batteries were chronically undercharged.

    Just a month ago I found another Outback system where the
    customer (or someone from another "solar" company) had selected
    the "drop" setting from the "use" menu.  Similar results to the
    previous case, but in this situation the customer had to use the
    bypass breakers to get power to the house while the batteries did
    not charge.

    To my mind, this is one of the big problems with all
    manufacturers of technical equipment:  Poor user interface.  Who,
    in their right mind, would put controls to disable critical
    functions in the same menu tree as the control to do a common
    place, frequently used function such as starting a generator
    remotely?  And the screens are all almost identical.  This is
    extremely poor design.

    On a similar subject, all off-grid inverter manuals are written
    very poorly.  For example, why put the installation instructions
    in the front of the manual?  You install a system once, but you
    operate it every day.  The installation instructions should be in
    the back and the operating instructions in the front (or better
    yet, in separate books).  Why are we trying to use the same
    manual for the installer as for the user?  A majority of users
    need a 4 page manual that includes:  1. how to turn the system on
    and off, 2. how to read and interpret a few critical meter
    functions, 3. how (and why) to equalize batteries and 4. what to
    do when your power goes out.  That's it.  For the few users that
    want to know more, they can wade through the installation /
    technical manual.

    We provide our own checklists to all of our customers to perform
    the limited functions described above.  For a sample, see:
    
file:///D:/William/Web/Dreamweaver/Miller%20Solar/MillerSolar/Services/Support/_support.htmll
    
<file://D/William/Web/Dreamweaver/Miller%2520Solar/MillerSolar/Services/Support/_support.htmll>

    We provide these instruction sets to our install clients and sell
    them to others, including other installers (off list, if you are
    interested).

    I am volunteering to be on a peer review panel to critique users
    manuals for off-grid inverter manufacturer's.  Maybe if a few of
    us grey beards look over these manuals before they are printed,
    we can get them straightened out.  Anyone else on board?

    Rant off.

    William Miller

    PS:  Any manual not pre-punched for a three hole binder is not
    worth the paper it is printed on.

    Wm

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