I think the AC coupled approach would be the best. For the 10KW system, a pair of Sunny Islands fed by Sunny Boys would make an efficient system. Since there is no generator, the system should be fairly straight forward.

At 02:06 AM 3/2/2012, you wrote:

i think mark was asking more about ac coupling to get away from the horrible inefficiencies of battery based, grid-tied inverters.



as an experiment, i have been thinking about ac coupling one (or more) of my arrays on my outback system to gain 10% over having the gvfx do the selling.



stc to ptc usually costs about 20%, then losing another 10% in the inverter is a real performance hit. i advise customers about phantom loads and conservation, when actually the battery based inverter is itself the big lump under the carpet!



todd











On Thursday, March 1, 2012 7:07pm, "Maverick Brown [Maverick Solar]" <[email protected]> said:

My two cents:
"battery-based inverter w/ PV on the DC side via charge controllers"
Simply replace the GT inverter with a Xantrex 600V Charge Controller plus the 48V Grid Interactive Inverter of your choice and added battery bank, etc.
Until the market is saturated with unneeded GT Inverters, you will be ok. ;-)
Try your best to provide enough battery for at least 24 hours of outage at 50% DOD. You may have add a Sub-Panel or Manual Transfer Switch.
Thanks
Maverick
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excellent question mark... and one which has been on my mind as well, being most of my work is bbgt.



todd







On Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:37am, "Mark Frye" <[email protected]> said:

Folks,

I have a residential grid-tied customer in a net metered utility with a favorable TOU rate.

They could use about 10 kW of PV to offset 100% of their usage.

But, they also complain about regular power outages in their neigborhood. They don't want a generator.

With reliable AC coupling now available, do we yet know which is the more advantagous architecture; grid-tied, battery-based inverter w/ PV on the DC side via charge controllers, or grid-tied, battery-based inverter w/ PV AC coupled via grid-tied, utility-based inverter?

Your thoughts?

Mark Frye
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
303 Redbud Way
Nevada City,  CA 95959
(530) 401-8024
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