Allan,

Can be done but I don't believe it is economical. You will have more cost in 
equipment yet your daily PV power production will be less. The reason is that 
battery charging will not use 100% of PV potential for the entire charge cycle. 
Every day the power will taper off as the battery gets full, the rest is 
wasted. This waste will add up to many kWh's. Also, the MPPT conversion 
efficiency will likely be less directly charging a battery compared to using a 
grid tie inverter. You can optimize the array voltage for one or the other but 
probably not both.

Larry Crutcher
Starlight Solar Power Systems
(928) 342-9103





On Aug 23, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Allan Sindelar wrote:

Wrenches,
We have a customer who has built several EVs, and wants to eventually develop a 
business around them here. A few years ago we installed a GT system on his 
home. He has now moved and wants to install a system on his new home as well. 
This time, he'd like to develop a means by which to charge his EV directly from 
his array, avoiding the inefficiencies of inverting to the grid and then 
running a grid-based charger. 

I know of no way to do this, but then, I'm a veggiehead (drive an old Mercedes 
on waste fryer oil), not an EV aficionado. I suspect that there are folks out 
there trying to do this, as it's a logical objective. Can anyone suggest 
products, links, or websites for this customer to explore?

Here are his notes about this effort:
...this is essentially the idea. to use the EV as rolling battery backup to 
dual-purpose the investment in battery. The second plus is avoiding loss from 
two inversions dc-ac-dc, the third being relatively high-amp charge without 
buying another charger! and dual purposing the inverter to avoid cost of 
high-amp inverter only used for emergencies for a backup. 

The tech details of EV battery packs that are going to make this a challenge is 
the high voltage. The DIY pack running DC are going       to be 120, 144, 
156vDC nominal most commonly. Guys running AC motors and OEMs might run much 
higher.... closer to 300v. 

The charge controller or voltage limit switch needs to be user settable and 
fairly accurate (+/- 1 volt). The DIY people usually use a 'finish' voltage of 
3.65volts / cell being 'done'. So for a 120v nominal system I would want to set 
the DC charge to come up to 139v and either shut down right then, or if it 
COULD just hold at 139v until amps drop or a specified time, that would be even 
better. 

I am planning to do a grid-tie system at my new house, and yes, the intent is 
to 'stub-in' capability to both quick-charge the pack direct from the DC side 
of PV if possible, AND use the car pack as night-time/emergency backup just to 
show its possible.... 

My little car has 12kWhr on board, one I'm working on right now will have 
20kWhr onboard.
Thank you in advance for any assistance.
Allan
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Allan Sindelar
[email protected]
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder and Chief Technology Officer
Positive Energy, Inc.
3209 Richards Lane (note new address)
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com





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