WINDY Dancoff taught me pressure times flow was power, pressure times volume was energy,
On Oct 29, 2017 10:47 AM, "Dana" <[email protected]> wrote: > That’s where I was confused the septic designer said only 10% more. It's > not just flow it is this ridiculous excess pressure they require > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------- > Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. > 208.721.7003 [email protected] > Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374 > NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz > "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Darryl Thayer > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 7:40 AM > To: newrewrenches <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wattage 1/2 HP vs 1HP septic pumps > > But the question you asked as to which uses more energy, i expect they use > tbe same or close to the same, the 1/2 hp runs 2x longer. > > On Oct 29, 2017 6:24 AM, "Chris Mason" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If you can get the Class rating of the motor, it will tell you a lot about > the start current requirements of the pump. > > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Darryl Thayer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, Dana, I know you have a different situation using a sewage ejector > > (grinder pump) but I have a customer that has a 1/2 HP well pump. I > > do > not > > know the drawdown, I think it is 60 feet. It runs from an Outback VFX > > 3648, and a 4000 Watt autotransformer standard across the line starter. > It > > has never failed to start. Nor does it "blink the lights", (running > > since > > 2004?) It runs at 350 to 400 watts into a 20-gallon diaphragm tank > > operating from 40 to 60 PSI. Using Egauge on the 10 Minute scale, the > peak > > seems to be about 3x the running load or 1200 to1500 Watts lasting > > less than 1 second. In providing a family of two adults, the well > > pump is not > a > > dominating load. On the other hand, I had a customer with a 1.5 HP > > pump that I could not reliably start on a similar setup with a single FX > 3548. > > The Radian is, of course, a much bigger animal. > > > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am with Windy! Having 1/2 HP and up anywhere offgrid is a problem > > > if > it > > > does not soft start. It will cause dimmed LED's to flicker and just > > > the surges that really are avoidable. Use soft start! There is not a > > > reason these days to prove that a Radian or XW will start a motor > > > that bangs > the > > > inverter to start. The only case I make for large old pump tech like > > these > > > is if it is for a fire suppression pump, in addition to a nice 3/4 > > > HP Grundfos home water pump. > > > > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > > > "we go where powerlines don't" > > > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > > > e-mail [email protected] > > > text 209 813 0060 > > > > > > > > > > Really good to hear & thanks Chris. > > > > I just installed this system at our new home that we will be > > > > showing > > as a > > > > demonstration home. I come from the late '80s days of PV and a 1 > > > > HP > > pump > > > > was a major no-no back when. > > > > *Windy passed along a soft start suggestion & I was going to put a > time > > > > clock turning on from 10AM-2PM every day to utilize a fuller bank. > > > > I > > will > > > > look at the SOC option on the Radian, but it is 200+' away from > > > > the > > > septic > > > > controller and conduit is in the ground. > > > > We have a HUP 2500 AHR/48-volt bank & 6,400 watt of PV tracked in > > > > a > n-s > > > > canyon that limits the PV collection to 5 hours on a December day, > that > > > so > > > > far even running a 3/4 HP air compressor all day/every day-7 days > > > > a > > week > > > > has never dropped at night more than 5%. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------------- > > > > Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. > > > > 208.721.7003 [email protected] > > > > Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374 > > > > NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz > > > > "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" > > > > ï Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: RE-wrenches > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On > > > > Behalf Of Chris Mason > > > > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 5:51 AM > > > > To: RE-wrenches <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wattage 1/2 HP vs 1HP septic pumps > > > > > > > > What's the problem with the 1H pump you anticipate? We live on a > > > > 8KW Radian and it's very robust. We have load management relay > > > > system to handle the dryer, it's only allowed to work above 95% > state of charge. > > > > Since your lift station has range, i.e., it doesn't have to work > > > > every minute of the day, you can control it so it works only > > > > during a SOC > > range > > > > or Time of Day range. You can also turn off other loads so there > > > > is > > > enough > > > > power. If you run the lift pump during the night, there is less > > > > chance > > of > > > > a convection oven running at that time. Or mid morning when > > > > everyone > is > > > at > > > > work. Having time control or SOC control is very handy. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Ok all you whiz kids, bozos, & bolos: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> If I have a septic lift pump [off grid ouch] at 1HP/240 > > > >> vac/8-amps to meet all the usual state required overkill in > > > >> septic design & a ½ > > > >> HP/240 vac/4.9-amp pump would do the same job but it will take > > > >> 10% more time to dose 800 gallons. > > > >> > > > >> Powered by an 8 KW Outback Radian inverter. > > > >> > > > >> From a load point of view and a 240-volt 3 phase wild AC well > > > >> pump limiting the overall surge and general wattage is the > > > >> smartest move, but; Which pump will use less overall power? We > > > >> are using 240 volt to utilize both inverters and drop the load on > > > >> either half of the Radian inverter. > > > >> > > > >> Is there a smarter lift pump to use? ECM motor? 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