It depends on how bad the fault is. Insulation resistance testing can 
definitely find some intermittent ground faults.

Thanks,
Will

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Just an FYI, it is specifically an "insulation resistance" error that the 
inverter is throwing, and not an "arc fault" error. Fortunately it is not an 
arc fault. Meggering is not a bad idea, although due to the fact that the fault 
is intermittent, that might not show anything?

Cheers,
Dave

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 12:30 PM August Goers via RE-wrenches 
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wrote:
You might want to make sure that the SMA inverter has the latest firmware. It's 
been a long time since we've routinely installed these, but at one point arc 
faults were being falsely tripped and firmware updates from SMA helped with the 
issue.

https://my.sma-service.com/s/article/Loading-Firmware-for-an-SB-US-TL22-or-STP-US-10-using-a-2-GB-SD-Card?language=en_US<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/my.sma-service.com/s/article/Loading-Firmware-for-an-SB-US-TL22-or-STP-US-10-using-a-2-GB-SD-Card?language=en_US__;!!KPww_GFiJXw!bV9p8CXDOhVnAlkApapaa8cqF7DOgvGBhkp-heU3byC7UqlQMnQcZByfUUQAUjJA5fRu_oSUKwElws1RsnCCmXdh9ZPVGCf4$>

August
Luminalt

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 9:07 AM Jay via RE-wrenches 
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wrote:
I think that using a megger etc to test the panels and wires is what I’d do 
before I yanked out  all the
Wires.

They are not that expensive anymore and maybe possible to rent one?

Jay


On Dec 13, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches 
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Hi All,

I am curious to hear if anyone else has run into this:

This is the system I posted about a little while ago that had the SolarWorld 
modules and all the module to module connectors were swollen and melted. One of 
the inverters was giving an insulation resistance error, and so after seeing 
the module connectors, I was sure that was the issue. We replaced every single 
module connector with new MC4's, and then the error came back!

My next step was to swap in the junction box which strings go to which inverter 
to identify whether the issue was on the roof or somewhere between the roof 
jbox and the inverter. (the issue was isolated to only 1 of 4 strings 
previously). Turns out the same inverter is faulting, which leads me to believe 
that there may be an issue with the wires in the DC conduit. Maybe they got 
damaged by a rough wire pull at the initial installation 7 years ago, and its 
finally degraded enough to cause a problem. The fault is intermittent, only 
showing up once every couple weeks or so, so it is difficult to catch it while 
the fault is active.

But my question is, could there also be something wrong with the inverter 
itself? After spending a lot of time on this one, ideally, I would know that 
replacing the DC wires will fix it. So I am curious if people have done this, 
to still find that the issue was something internal to the inverter.

Thanks!
-Dave

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