I'd consider myself to be an "average cf'er". I've used cf for years, but I'm totally naïve when it comes to frameworks and orm's. Its been interesting reading this thread and eveyones arguments for and against, and while I don't have anything of my own to add, to me getXyz() seems to make more sense to me than getXyzRecord(). Appending Record to the method doesn't help me understand it anymore.
Looking at Sean's alternative proposal for per-project xsl files it's certainly a good solution, and I think this average cf'er will be removing "Record" from the method names. Cheers, Chris Blackwell -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João Fernandes Sent: 24 March 2006 17:34 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Reactor For CF] Reactor R&D Just to say that I'm one of those who never used a framework before and I can tell you that many times the fact that I use getxyzRecord reminds me what I'm dealing with. BTW Doug, I hope you'll be at MAX this year ! João Fernandes Dep. Informática - Área de Desenvolvimento Cofina media Avenida João Crisóstomo, Nº 72 . 1069-043 Lisboa PORTUGAL Tel (+351) 213 185 200 . Fax (+351) 213 540 370 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: sexta-feira, 24 de Março de 2006 17:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Reactor For CF] Reactor R&D On 3/24/06, Shannon Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My emphasis is not on changing out, rather migrating to. An additional > benefit would also be migrating from (potentially). Again, with my horns, pointy tail and pitchfork in hand: For the vast majority of CFers who might want to adopt Reactor, they don't have DAOs and they don't have beans and they don't have well-structured CFC-based applications at all. I've just completed a "tour" of CFUGs with my Objects & Persistence talk where I show how to migrate from spaghetti code to using CFCs to manage objects and then how to use any of the four ORM frameworks. For most all of those audiences, having a data access layer is a novel idea. For them, the cost of adopting Reactor would not be changed one iota by exchanging getXyxRecord() to getXyz() - in fact, I would contend that this might even confuse them (hey, remember the horns and pointy tail!). Remembering createRecord() / getXyzRecord() is probably easier for them - they can see immediately these are both "record" objects. > That is because the createRecord() is used below the service level -- > no problem there. Only if you have a service level - see above. For most CFers adopting Reactor, they will liberally pepper their code - which may well be page-based rather than controller-based - with calls to createRecord() and createGateway(). They *may* create a DAO to wrap Reactor. That's a long way from a controller / service / business model / data access layered model of development. You are in a very unusual minority in the CF community: you have created a large, multi-tiered application that is far beyond the comprehension and skill level of most folks in the CF community at the moment. > I do see your point completely... I think we actually might be both > right here about our points and I may not be communicating effectively > without white boarding the service pattern we are using. Oh I totally understand where you're coming from. I just don't think the change you are proposing is right for the framework - even tho' I actually think a small, configuration-based change with a backward-compatible default would be a "small tweak". Bear in mind that a CFer familiar with default Reactor behavior is going to find your code confusing with that "Record" naming convention to hang onto... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood -- Reactor for ColdFusion Mailing List -- [email protected] -- Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/reactor%40doughughes.net/ -- Reactor for ColdFusion Mailing List -- [email protected] -- Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/reactor%40doughughes.net/ -- Reactor for ColdFusion Mailing List -- [email protected] -- Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/reactor%40doughughes.net/
