Nathan, I didn't see anything jerky in what you said. I'm glad you shared your two cents. I'd love to get more feedback from more people.... but frankly the silence on the list may speak volumes.
And who knows if ORM will actually even be in CF 9? And, who knows if the hypothetical ORM in CF 9 will be any good? Seriously. Adobe has a very, very, bad habit of doing things about 80% of the way. The other 20% are just left for us to pull our hair out about. Think flash forms, ajax features, pdf features. I mean much of anything above the basics in those feature sets makes me want to scream. Oh, and let's not forget about the thousands of existing applications that use transfer or reactor. Anyhow, having reactor not be languishing is better for us all, I believe. I just can't do it on my own. Doug Hughes, President Alagad Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 888 Alagad4 (x300) Office: 919-550-0755 Fax: 888-248-7836 On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Nathan Strutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well I've been thinking about it for a few hours now since you dropped > this, and I'm sure we've all got some thoughts, so I'll just voice what > nobody wants to hear. Voice of opposition or whatever. No caffeine makes me > fussy. > > I guess the big question is: will CF9 make custom ORMs obsolete? I know > Mark Mandel has been fighting this battle, too, arguing the legacy server > battle and the fact that our ORMs are here now, whereas Adobe's is not out > yet. > > For Mark Drew taking over the project, yes, Doug, you've done an amazing > job but you're too busy and maybe we need a new leader if this project is > going to go anywhere. You know I'm all for anything that pushes Reactor > forward. > > Another thing we don't want to hear: I would rather Mark spend all his time > making CFEclipse better. Yeah that's a selfish statement, sorry. But hey, if > Mark Drew says he can do it, I believe it, that guy is Superman x3. > > Another quesiton nobody wants to ask: Is CF9's IDE going to kill CFEclipse? > Probably not if it costs money. Probably if it's free. > > The idea of Reactor "lite" is fantastic. What if a bunch of the features > were separate downloads - database introspection (Reactor Base), various > object generation (Reactor ORM), a custom version of Validat (Reactor > Validat, or something), OO Queries (Reactor Query Code) and you can build > your own with what feature you want (Have you seen jQuery UI download > builder?). How about a scaffold form generator add-on. > > Why doesn't Reactor generate its own config file when I know it can read my > database? > > As nice as ColdSpring is, I don't know if that's the answer. If you're > looking for ways to switch out core components, just make a config file or a > section in the reactor.xml file and implement a simple abstract factory. I > could, however, see reactor creating a coldspring config xml file for > ColdSpring 1.2's new <include ... /> tag, where Reactor could manage that > file and we could just include it along with our other beans. That would be > a big win. > > Like you said, we've all got ideas. > > I'll shut up now, I know I've been kind of a jerk and all on this subject. > Anyways, Mark would be great. I don't really know who else is using Reactor > that has the chops, experience and desire to run the show. > > nathan strutz > [Blog and Family @ http://www.dopefly.com/] > [AZCFUG Manager @ http://www.azcfug.org/] > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Doug Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> It may or may not be obvious that Reactor has been, shall we say, idle >> under my oversight. Honestly, my focus is on my business and things that >> directly impact it. Reactor is only in my periphery these days and, as a >> result, support and momentum behind the project has faltered. >> >> The CF community focus really has been on Transfer and its features. And, >> though Transfer is a terrific product and we have used it on some projects >> here at Alagad, it's not the end game. >> >> Beyond that, there's a lot that remains that can be done with Reactor. >> There are ideas I've had for a lite version, or a ColdSpring based >> architecture that would allow for customizations of the core, and so much >> more. And I know many of you have ideas. Not to mention issues that need >> to be resolved. >> >> My realization is that I personally don't have the time or inclination to >> get into Reactor code any more. And so, for a while, I've been looking for >> someone to take over as a project manager for Reactor. I've asked Mark Drew >> a few times if he'd be willing to chip in and today he hesitantly agreed. >> However, we both want to talk to the community of Reactor users before >> making the official decision. Do you think you or someone else might be a >> better (or simply different) choice? If so, please speak up. >> >> If Mark does take over the project then he'll presumably be working with >> you, the community of Reactor users, to come up with a plan for the future >> of the project. I also anticipate that the development of the project will >> become much more open and inclusive than it has been in the past. (Maybe >> some of the mess in OO queries can be cleaned up?) >> >> Anyhow, I just wanted to open this up for discussion. 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