Troy Rollins wrote:
On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Bryan Lund wrote:
So... yes. Regardless of what your definition of "quality" and
"commercial" are, there are applications that will meet that standard
that have been (and are being) developed in REALbasic.
Sorry. I'm not talking about shareware utilities. I'm talking about
solid, popular, commercial applications... OmniGraffle, Delicious
Library, iPhoto, Photoshop, AfterEffects, Flash, DreamWeaver, iTunes,
ANY 3D application, like Cararra, Cinema 4D, Lightwave... serious, real
applications which are solid, professional, and popular. Nothing
mentioned so far would meet the criteria. This is not to say that
applications like those from RadicalBreeze and others are not good
utilities, but they aren't in the league of those I've mentioned. And
until RB can create apps like those, it isn't going to replace Xcode,
Codewarrior, or even Delphi. I'm not down on RB. I just don't believe it
is powerful, or stable enough to deliver applications of world class
quality, and so far, no one has proven different.
Well... let's take Delicious Library as an example you gave. That is
purely a shareware app. Whereas some of the applications I have
mentioned are sold both online and in retail and many (I know firsthand)
are quite popular. So I'm not really seeing what you're trying to point
out. Is this just a matter of no applications that you, personally, use
being written in RB? Because, looking at my dock... 5 out of 12 of my
"can't live without" apps are made with RB.
RealBasic itself is probably its own best example right now. But the
fact is, it is buggy as hell, has no support for multiple developers,
and IS NOT written entirely in RB.
Most of the applications you list above are not written 100% in any
single environment. Most use multiple frameworks and libraries written
in multiple languages and compiled with multiple toolsets. That's just
the way things work.
To be honest, I've seen FAR more professional applications delivered
with Macromedia Director than RealBasic. The only advantage RB offers is
native controls.
Seriously? You've seen "quality commercial" applications written in
Director? Not that I'm doubting it can be done... but I've never seen
it myself.
It is a great environment for little utilities (like alarm clocks), and
cross-platform vertical market apps, but I don't expect to see anyone
make anything world-class with it, and therefore the thought of it
killing Xcode seems kind of far-fetched.
No, I'm not an Xcode user. Most of my apps lately have been done in RB.
But I think I have a realistic view of what it can and can't do. If it
can do more, no one has proven it to date.
Killing XCode wouldn't make any sense even if RB were 1000 times better
in almost every regard. They are separate tools with a separate way of
doing things. If you've got existing C code... you kind of need a
compiler that can work with C... so there will always be many
compilers/toolsets.
-Bryan
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