Except in rare occasions the national identity eclipses the state identity
here in the US.  We're Americans first.  From my limited experience that
doesn't appear to be the case in "Europe" (or amongst those who occupy
countries in Europe).  The Economist has an article related to this issue:

 http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8813974&fsrc=RSS

~joe

On 3/8/07 2:31 AM, "Youri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hey,
> 
> Funny this list ;-)
> 
> I must say that here in France, where we are going to vote for our next
> President, there is still a sensible division between euroseptics and
> pro-european.
> 
> Many argue that we, Europeans, should go ahead to the image of the USA.
> One big federal nation etc...
> 
> I am certainly not against the construction of Europe, but it is funny
> to see the difference in reaction between the guys in the States (Austin
>   Texas? OK let's go), and the guys in Europe, where we started with a
> "Why not a conf in Europe?" and we are finishing arguing (in a friendly
> manner thought) who's gonna held the conf, who's got the best beer, the
> way that Italian handle their driving, the price of French tolls, the
> distance to cover between different cities in Europe... ;-))))
> 
> Again, this is just a little note, I couldn't resist writting and there
> are no offence AT ALL, but just a good laught.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Youri
> 
> 
> PS : I would recommend a neutral place, out of the EEC, but inside
> geographically like Switzerland for their chocolate, their cheese, their
> Mountains, their multi-linguism and it's not that far from Paris..... OK
> I'm out ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel Stenning wrote:
>> Rubbish,  Belgian beer is just caramelized malty alcohol for kids.
>> 
>> For  REALbeer there is NO alternative to British Real Ale. Period.  :)
>> 
>> Anyone who has sampled the delights of Fullers ESB, Timothy Taylors,
>> Deuchars, Loddon and all the varied brews of UK will confirm the UK rools as
>> far as beer is concerned.  ;)
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/3/07 16:28, "Bart Pietercil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> After all Belgium is THE land of BEER, and if I recall correctly beer
>>> has a certain attraction on RB Developers ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dan
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