From: "David P. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Network Address Translation harmful to RTP

Thanks for your response.  Actually, there's no theoretical reason why NAT
will always be needed, but it is a reality today in the marketplace.  I
don't want to get into the  anti-NAT argument, however - I've flapped my
jaws enough on that already.

The practical problem is that the current NAT vendors that are used by me
and many other cable modem owners in MediaOne/RoadRunner land do not handle
RTP properly, especially its needs for (2n, 2n+1) odd/even UDP socket
pairings, etc. [RTP is, I think, the only IP protocol with such a weird
design choice - not an illegal design, but unnecessarily different].

I want a NAT that does work for RTP today in either a Windows 98 or an NT
2000 host.  Know of any that do?  (I could even live with a Linux one, if I
really had to)  The firewall products don't do NAT, and I don't think the
proxies work over NAT either.

At 02:54 PM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
 >From: "Andrew Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >Subject: RE: Network Address Translation harmful to RTP
 >
 >At some level NAT will always be needed, whether you are doing it on your
 >side or the ISP is doing it on their side. There just aren't that many IP
 >addresses to go around.
 >
 >There are proxies available from both Real and Apple. These could
 >theoretically help address the problem. The NAT/Firewall side can address
 >the issue with payload modification, just that the implementations are
 >behind.
 >
 >Personally I would prefer protocols that didn't embed IP addresses. Bad
 >assumption in today's world.
 >

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