Youch. Hard words, Jeff. But right.
But, rebol not open source? I'm surprised. For me it is.
In the same way as a pc+bios+linux is open source,
or the amiga+fish-disks (better).
(yep, hm, now there is an open-source bios, says /. , but i thought
this some hours ago :)
again, like amiga, Carl does a everywhere-the-same basis on which
hobby-inventors (writers of c-compilers, conman, arexx, muchmore)
can build.
Its a basis which has to teach a lot, which is important to influence
its
programmers.
This time Carl does'nt build the hardware.
hardware is the usual cause to get money (obviously you can't
disk-copy your box)
this time he simulates the hardware, which is equally hard
(decides the features which he can implement everywhere, but keeps it
being featueres, wow).
Since this is a hard part, i don't like my own extension in it,
finding i have to patch on every system around because the wonderfull
feature
i added on 'a is hard to implement on 'b .
it's a surprise for myself i accept this :)
so i think, Carl builds the machine, and i add on top of it.
I can add down to the »instruction set«, everythink possible is
meazine,
»open source«.
Yes, i know, i don't run /command on my similar expensive machine,
but this kind of pricing i invest every few years..
maybe next time for a virtual instead of a real machine, if
rebol keeps this performace :)
BTW a central person giving direction and basic code is very common
in open source, like Linus, all this language - inventors, ..
how many core-implementations of perl do you know?
Often this projects are funded by sponsors instead of customers.
It's another way. Like thinking TV with advertising is free.
A kind of university-structure for programmers
would be a better way, but else?
(poorer payment, but good equipment, nearby competent persons to talk)
BTW2 Mark, do you really think rebol needs three extra stacks? :)
Volker
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Am 16.02.01, 19:24:41, schrieb Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> zum Thema
[REBOL] Re: /View as a Product:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:02:41AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > You will be able to mold it to suit your needs, you don't want /View
you can take this functionality out. You want /Command features you
can
add them in. You require database / audio / video / device or whatever
other interface imaginable, then you can adapt /extend the program to
cope
with this.
> Yes, and it will do your dishes, laundry and taxes, too, I am sure.
> > Besides competitiion is healthy, is REBOL in it's current incarnation
really the last word in the implementation of the language.
> No, of course not, which is why it is being continuously improved.
> > Why not OSCAR, J-REBOL ( that's SUN MICROSYSTEMS fictitious future
JAVA - REBOL hybrid ) or any other Implementation ?
> "fictitious" is the key word describing your whole mail.
> > My two cents worth,
> Precisely that.
> Personally, I am getting more and more annoyed by this. If you want to
write an alternative
> REBOL implementation then just go ahead and do it. Nobody from RT is
holding you back, and
> I am looking forward to seeing actual results. However promising
vaporware which is supposedly
> going to be so much better than everything else, with the sole purpose
of recruiting
> developers for an open-source project in its infancy, and away from
existing WORKING and
> AVAILABLE products, is, IMHO, a highly unethical practice, in
particular if you do it on
> a competitor's mailing list. If you do it anyway then you may at least
want to be honest
> and tell users that it will likely take several years for OSCAR to
reach the level of
> functionality and stability that REBOL/Core has right now.
> A certain company in Redmont, WA likes to make exactly those "our next
release will be
> so much better" kinds of claims whenever the competition announces a
new product, and
> those claims often have no or intentionally inaccurate information on
product
> availability. Just something to think about...
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> reflect the official position of REBOL Technologies.
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