Porter,
Yes, very familiar with it for many months...
We were not that impressed, but then we are hard to impress.
However, I do like Groove's marketing message, and it takes
more than one company to make a market. They will help open
a lot of minds.
I think of REBOL as a lightweight & quicker approach to what Groove
spent $50 million doing. That is, we could write Groove in REBOL
in a couple months, but you could not write REBOL in Groove any
time soon. REBOL is a true distributed computing platform, it is
a powerful next generation architecture, where Groove is essentially
a stack of COM and XML plug-ins that only run under Windows. Currently,
REBOL/View runs on 26 platforms other than Windows. (This is important
because so much of the back end of the Internet does not run on
windows... and DC needs to run on both sides of the wire, not just
on the client.)
But I agree...
Groove does have a slick UI.... and I'm hoping that perhaps a few
folks on this email list may get inspired to knock out a version
of it for REBOL. I think that would be very cool... and I think
it could be done by an expert REBOLer in a couple weeks, at least
for the GUI side of it. For the back end, we've already created
it... It's called REBOL/Express.
In summary, REBOL's vision is much broader and deeper than Groove.
We have created a true technological advancement that will lead to
a brighter future for distributed Internet applications. In fact,
our vision is similar to that of the original Web... except that we
seek a world of open inter-operability of distributed applications
rather than just the distribution of document pages.
So, I think I'm in total agreement with the spirit of your email.
Let's see what we can do as a group to create an "Open Groove"
written entirely in REBOL! Great idea, Porter.
Let's go for it!
-Carl Sassenrath
Founder & CTO
REBOL Technologies
At 5/11/01 01:22 PM -0400, you wrote:
>Hey -
>
>I'm sure some of you are already on the loop on this. But, have you all
>had a chance to check out Groove? While it is Windows only (right now) I
>would urge you all to try and take a look.
>
>"Groove software lets you create secure shared spaces wher you make
>instant and direct online connections with others to share information and
>get things done..."
>
>"The Groove client and platform reside securely on the individual's PC,
>not on a Web site or server, giving users control over how, when and with
>whom they interact. The Groove client includes tools for voice, and
>text-based communications, file sharing, and many other interactive
>activities, while the Groove platform supports standard development
>languages, built in security and an XML code base, making it easy to build
>additional tools as needed..."
>
>In short, it's pretty slick. The entirety of a shared space (all files,
>messages, pictures, sketchpads, notepads, outlines, etc) resides on the
>hard-disk of every participant of the shared space. It is secure both
>on-the-wire and on-disk (ie. encrypted). It uses the exchange of public
>keys to enable secure, instant messaging - as well as the exchange of
>changes to the shared space.
>
>I have the sneaking suspicion that one could do some of this with
>Rebol/View/Pro (encryption is a must). Groove is currently based on COM -
>which despite their developer docs to the contrary - is still pretty much
>a Windows only technology. Almost all of the "tools" in a space are built
>around standard COM objects, or around the framework of COM objects that
>Groove provides. So - like I said, some of this sort of thing could
>certainly be done with Rebol/View/Pro; even more could be done if you
>simply leveraged the COM objects they already provide - but then you would
>loose most of the cross-platform capability that Rebol provides.
>
>Please, everyone who is able - take a look at:
>
> http://www.groove.net/
>
>
>
>- Porter Woodward
>
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