> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> On Behalf Of Gabriele Santilli
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:13 AM
> To: Robert M. Muench
> Subject: [REBOL] Re: RFC: Forms generator / RAD dialect
 
> Mmm, looks like dbgui-wizard.r. :-)

Hi, never looked at it yet. I'll have to check out. Where can I find
this script?

> It   actually   does   better,   by   handling  object-to-gui  and
> gui-to-object  translation,  and  a  few  other  things. 
> (When you insert  a  record in the db, any browser that shows 
> that table etc is refreshed to chow the new record, and so on.)

Ok, I see. This implies that you use a database in the background. I
have thought about a concept to describe a data model that fits smoothly
into such a dialect. Further the representation model of the data and
the storage used should be customizable. I have come up with a very
generic concept how to handle this. But it's not perfect yet, I still
need some time and first have to test some prototypes.

> But I'm going further; there's some 
> chance I'll  release, by the end of this week, a very 
> preliminary version of  Road  (Rapid  data  Oriented  
> Application Development), an IDE designed  to automatically 
> create RDBMS-based applications.

This sounds interesting. Especially I will focus on the dialect and the
concepts first and (maybe) later think about a GUI editor for this. I
hope other will take the plunge and do it ;-))

> I warn you  that  this  
> preliminary version is not that great, and is not much  
> automatic,  but  it  is  a start. I'm not sure if it will be 
> useful  to  release it publicly, or wait for something more 
> usable first.

Golden rule of open-source software: Release early, release often ;-))

> (The  final  goal  is  to  write  a  piece of software that, 
> given relational schema and some additional information --- 
> such as help text  for  the  user,  and  so  on  --- will 
> create a REBOL or PHP application to browse-insert-modify the 
> data in that DB. I'm doing this for my degree too.)

Ok, I have done such a thing with JavaScript and PHP. We have made a
complete framework. We even had some basic concepts from IOS, server
callable functions etc. There was a framework debugger running on the
client, that was implemented in JavaScript. Very cool! But my friend and
I recognized that we reached the limit of what can be done with such a
concept and the available web technology.

That's why he had a deeper look into Curl and I into Rebol ;-)). And we
now just start to think about a new version but this time with the
better technology base. Robert


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