by the way, I didn't need to use 'merge, it just worked for me as-is.
> 
> >>If I specify both edge and oval color
> >>
> >>view layout [button 120x120 "test" with [effect: [0x1 oval 0.255.255 ]
> >>edge: [color: 255.0.0 ] ] ]
> >
> >
> >I am not sure if it is what you are asking for, but few latest View 
> >releases changed the way transparency works by default. Try putting 
> >'merge in the beginning of effect block ....
> >
> >-pekr-
> 
> Hi pekr
> 
> When I put up an oval button, I get a (for instance) blue round button
> that looks cut out of a solid white square, in a window with background
> color gray.
> 
> What I want is a round blue button that looks cut out of a solid grey
> square (with no edge), in a window with background color gray.
> 
> So what I want is basically a round, flat, blue button coming out of the
> background.
> 
> But I don't seem to be able to get that.
> 
> Rebol/view seems to pick a color for the "cutout" area automatically;  I
> can't seem to specify what I want
> 
>  view layout [backcolor 255.255.0 button 120x120 255.255.0 "test" with
> [effect: [0x1 oval ] edge: [color: 255.240.0] ] ] 
> 
> For instance, is almost there;  I get a yellow button, with a black
> cutout area, with (slightly different) yellow edges, on a window with a
> background yellow color.
> 
> If I could control the color of that black cutout area, I'd have what I
> want.
> 
> 
> (since I'm using the released version of View/Pro I don't think the new
> merge words are available to me;  and since I need Call, I'm kind of
> stuck with this version)
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
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