Well, I haven't given up yet. Anton.
> Hi, > > today I lost second person who started with rebol some few months ago. > Sorry if you will find my comments off-topic, or negative, but I can't > resist. And what is more - I think current situation deserves some > criticism. Maybe you will tell me you don't know how my lamenting can > help rebol, but otoh I may ask you - how current state of no visible > progress can help it either. > > I know there are several groups of rebol users - those who are real > rebol hackers, who can accomplish really nice things using rebol, but > otoh there is group of ppl, who will start to be frustrated, after some > time of usage. > > Today I met such person - my long time friend. He is a programmer - > average one. He tried to do very simply thing - press the button and > insert some text into area, into caret position. While I am sure few > even few lines solutions could be posted, the problem is, that my friend > does not care anymore. And sadly - I have to agree with him, as the > cause is: > > - VID is 70 - 80% complete, which means it pushes ppl to adapt styles. > - styles don't provide proper encapsulation - why such thing as caret > position of certain face is not simply a property of face object ... > - styles are inconsistent from the point of user data storage > - styles are incomplete in 'feel area of behavior > - lack of View documentation ... > > I am (was) a programmer too. I think I know what I talk about. Don't get > me wrong - VID is beautifull concept, but in current state it pushes ppl > to often try to hack into View level, but then - there is a lack of > documentation. When I learned Visual Objects, there were 2 things > important - event model and class hierarchy. The same goes for View imo > - I remember that with View beta 1 came one doc, which left VID > completly - it explained how concept of faces, events, its filtering > etc. works. I think, that from programmer's perspective, something like > that should reappear and upon such doc things like VID should be > explained. VID only docs are nice, if VID itself is complete enough so > it will not push ppl to touch under its level ... > > I am also asked - for nearly one year - hey, - what is new with rebol? > And I have to say - nothing. SDK here or there does not count. I know > that money are priority probably, but in such case, I think that is is > inproper identification of long term business strategy. I would not > bother with SDK for BSD or so, but would focus onto bringing Rebol to > mobile devices arena, OSx etc. > > Now read those and look into the dates: > November 2002: > Monthly "State of the REBOLion" updates - Starting as of this message we > will provide regular monthly news updates to keep you informed. (We also > hope to recruit members from the REBOL community to contribute useful > information, hints, docs, and scripts.) > > http://www.rebol.com/news3203.html > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=199 > > I think that those things should not be stated, unless fullfilled in > reasonable enought timeframe. From external pov rebol totally lacks on > development. I was trying to be helpfull as much as I could to my two > friends, but they are not blind and I refuse to fool them around. I was > also asked some two years ago to write about View for magazine of 12K > monthly issues sold, but I refuse to, because of inability to guarantee > any single thing regarding rebol's future. Gee, last official View > release was when? > > Well, sadly I have to admit, that Rebol is becoming another Amiga - I > will use it till the last day, but to be fair I would really have to > think twice before suggesting Rebol to newcomers. > > Yesterday I received renewal for payment of rebol.cz domain. Some time > ago I had intention to build some czech portal. I expected someone to > help. I expected growing community, but now I think I will let the > domain go. Should I do it for 3 - 8 active rebols in Czech Republic? Ask > yourself how many rebols there are in other countries? > > Rebol was/is not succesfull in generating criticall mass of > developers/users, so that most rebollers have another primar jobs and > having less and less time for rebol related projects. I feel sorry for > loosing two ppl to rebol case, but untill there is publicly stated short > and long term strategy and at least some sign of sticking to published > words I wonder if situation can get any better soon. > > Sorry for frustration, but I think I am not only one thinking along the > lines ... > > -pekr- -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
