Dixit "Jason Cunliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:13:21 +0100):
>I am posting this again, as my first attempt vanished >into the Rebol maling list void... >Where do they go ? Maybe they take a detour by the void mailing list (http://void.slab.org/), and then never make it back? HY > >> Rebol/View is not yet available for Windows/CE. > >> Far from having a small memory footprint, Rebol consumes >>large chunks of >> memory. (That's why there isn't a Palm OS version). > >Thanks.. I see. I'd always thought and read about Rebol >as being tiny and >lightweight. Now I am really wondering. > >How much memory are we talking about? >How variable is Rebol's use of memory? >How does it compare to other PocketPC development tools? > > >I still find it hard to believe that Rebol cannot compete >well with other >development tools. >More importantly that cool applications developed with >Rebol cannot compete >with others. >Customers [aka commercial end-users] rarely care what >language/SDK was used. >They just want performance design features and price! > >So there is now a booming PocketPC market already for so >many cool little >personal database and messaging applications. >Reminds me of HyperCard and then the ActiveX / COM >market about 9 years >ago. > > >--- Gadget World --- >Apple's new OSX10.4 'Tiger' >http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/index.html >is now touting something like that also with 'Dashboard' >http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/dashboard.html > >Dashboard Gadgets [Widgets] are created using a mix of >HTML, JavaScript, and >CSS > >Dashboard seems at first glance to be a rip-off of >Konfabulator >http://www.konfabulator.com/ >Some differences are discussed here >http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_konfabulator > >Both are the excellent examples of what Rebol/View >applets should be, given >a fertile environment [Quartz] and design attitude. > > > >--- REBOL/PocketPC ??? --- > >jc >> You have a real advantage / market opportunity here >:-) >chris > I think so too. PocketPCs could be the niche >REBOL has been >searching >for a long time. > > >Yes and as I read though the lists and reviews of the >PocketPC commercial >and freeware apps, they almost all sound like >could/should/would be >REBOL/View apps. > >The exceptions are the ones which play video or record >sound. Both areas >where REBOL has nothing to offer -- unless it uses >Command to call some >library. >In fact that's what most PocketPC apps are doing - they >seem to be nice >little dedicated wrappers for .NET dlls > > >for example 'HanDBase' is a cool database tool >http://www.ddhsoftware.com/ >check out their tutorials at >http://www.ddhsoftware.com/TrainingVideos/HanDBase/ >[flash] > >Sites which give a quick flavor of what PocketPC market >might be for Rebol >apps are > >PocketPC magazine >http://www.pocketpcmag.com/_top/ > >PocketNow ["it's all about portability"] >http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php > >PocketPCSoft NET [software and freeware] >http://www.pocketpcsoft.net/ > >PocketGear >http://www.pocketgear.com/index.asp > >DevvBuzz.com [Handheld development] >http://www.devbuzz.com/content/ > >--- TabletPC --- >Another platform where REBOL could do well is TabletPC. >There is no REBOL >porting time and no memory restrictions like Pocket PC >devices. >Some of the current TabletPC are fabulous, though still a >little expensive. >Nicest one I've seen so far is Electrovaya Scribbler >2010 Tablet PC >http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/hardware/electrotab/ >http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/electrovaya.htm > >Easy to see how these could be worth their weight in gold >in the Medicine >and elsewhere. >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/default.mspx > >http://thetabletpc.net/ >http://www.pencomputing.com/TabletPC/ > > >--- Flash --- >...and yes Flash can now support all of the above now. >MDM have just released 'Zinc' for PocketPC, as well >finally their cross >platform compiler for [desktop] Zinc applications >[MacOSX, Windows] >http://www.multidmedia.com/software/zinc/ > >The Zinc feature-set includes 600 script functions, >freeing Flash from its >very limited browser sandbox, and putting it much closer >Rebol >http://www.multidmedia.com/software/zinc/#03 > >http://www.multidmedia.com/software/zinc/pocketpc/ > > > >Meanwhile Macromedia have just signed a deal with Nokia >for 'FlashLite'. >They are showing off this week at 3GSM >http://macromedia.com/devnet/devices/?promoid=home_dev_3gsm_021405 > >At first glance FlashLite sounds great, until one learns >that it is really >just Flash 4 [c.1999 or early 2000] ! >It works but the old programming syntax sucks so this is >a horrible step >back for programmers now used to FlashMX and Actionscript >2.0 >Fyi, the 'standard' Flash player now running almost >everywhere on the web is >version 7. > > > >What this all says to me is that when it comes to _GUI >development >environments_, the memory footprint and graphics >performance on phones and >some handhelds is still lagging years nearly 5 behind the >available tool >kits. >The Sharp Zaurus runs Linux and is a rare exception, but >costs $1000. >http://www.sharpusa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,116,00.html > >PocketPC land Microsfots other Mobile versions strongly >leverage .NET in >slightly modified form . >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/pocketpc/default.mspx > >Can anyone tell me how/if Rebol/View/Command could >leverage this easily or >not? > > >thanks, Jason > > > >-- >To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to >rebol-request >at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. > -- To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to rebol-request at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
