Hi there, thought Id throw this over to the group for a look, read the bottom part from me first and come back up the top, love to hear your thoughts. Lance. > 1. Dominant Populations II > From: AstroBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ > >Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:10:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: AstroBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Dominant Populations II > >I am not sure if you have specific agendas that you >believe are ignored by the majority, such as Land >Rights issues, but I personaly believe that many of >these issues are based on history. The GDPP is a lot >more concerned with the present and the future. > >Religion has been a major cause for past global >unsettlement. The importance of Religion is now >however, playing a far lesser role than it ever has in >the past. This is somewhat of a good thing, with the >exception of some of the good values that religion has >taught us as a race. > >Please don't misunderstand my belief in direct >democracy as forgetting about the smaller groups. In >fact, GDPP believes that the world should be looked at >from the bottom up, rather than top down, in that the >world is only as good as our worst achievements. >Forget technology, nuclear physics, flight, etc, there >are still starving children in this world. We should >start measuring ourselves in terms of our lowest >denominators. When starvation is eliminated as a >global problem, we have really achieved something >worthwhile as a race. When we learn to be more self >sustainable with a more caring consciousness for our >environment, then we will have achieved something. > >I don't think that we are a selfish race. But we have >been led by individuals with selfish agendas that has >deeply impacted on the "people" as a whole. This of >course, as you have highlighted, is still a big >problem with modern democracy. If the people are >given true democratic power through a system, perhaps >like GDPP's "Direct Democracy", then we will at least >be given an opportunity to see. > >As a final and personal point, I agree that women >should have much more influence in the decision making >of the world today. GDPP is not about having a world >leader, but if we were to ever have one, I think it >would be a far better place if it were led by a >female. Again, this is just a personal comment, from >my own limited knowledge of male dominance in history. > >Regards, > >Nick > > > >hranger Ned <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In response to belows answer i would see that this >> goes against socially >> representative democracy and is in fact what we have >> today with the liberal >> and labour right wing elements which do just the >> same, they listen only to >> the dominant paradigm and thus the marginalised >> become further removed from >> effective represenatation and groups such One Nation >> get up on simple issues >> that address the majorities emotional needs rather >> than the collective needs >> of all people in society. >> >> While you have faith that faith would be blind as >> the dominant paradigm is >> now why we are here in this socoiety with all its >> capitalist individualist >> self absorbed needs, which disregards the needs of >> all people. >> >> If we keep this philosophy as our goal we will never >> see a socialist >> democracy as it does not provide true change fro >> soicety in which all people >> can be considered globally equal in a nation of many >> cultures and diverse >> levels of class distinction. >> >> The true solution is to place the identified areas >> of marginalisation at the >> top of the democratic representative body. IE The >> President of Australia is >> Aboriginal not white, which would first recognise >> the first australian >> people. >> >> The next level is related to Gender, women need to >> have a greater percentage >> of representation therefore should be eg 60/40 >> gender in party democracy as >> a principle of justice. >> >> Thirdly, all immigrants to this country should be >> represented interms of >> percentage and seniorority. >> IE if there are 20 % serbian people in society then >> a greater or at least >> equal percentage should be lgally represented in >> politics. >> The greater the populations the less the >> representation on political power. >> IE If Anglo Australians make up the greatest >> proprtyion of people in society >> then they should have less say and the same vice >> versa Aborigianl people 1% >> should have the greatest say. >> >> This of course adds a new dimension to socialism in >> terms of the >> proletariat. However I believe that in this manner >> we can see that the >> people who are in need most will be able to have the >> power to change things >> for the better. >> >> The process of course would need to be a voting >> process but one on which >> democractic principles and socialist principles can >> still co-exist. >> >> So for example a typical government of the day might >> consist of: >> >> Level One - Local government -More English origin - >> same gender % >> >> Level Two - State Government - More multi ethinic >> origin - same gender % >> >> Level Three - Federal Government - President (100% >> first australian) >> >> Parliment & >> Senate - 60%women 40%men >> Legally consisiting of 10%White - 15% European >> - 30% Asian - 55% >> Aboriginal. >> >> >> Now this to me would provide a true socialist >> democracy in Australia. >> >> >> Regards, Lance. >> >> >> >> "Democracy is not really about small groups and >> their >> issues. It is about what the majority feels are the >> most important issues. It would be no different >> from >> today's political society in this aspect. Minority >> groups have every opportunity to present their >> thoughts and ideas to marginilised groups. They >> have >> the ability to further educate people on their ideas >> through the same kinds of means that are available >> today; such as educational publicity, protests etc. >> If however the smaller groups are unsuccessful in >> putting their point forward, then this, >> unfortunately >> for them, is democracy. My faith is in the >> humankind >> as a thoughtful and caring race. I do not believe >> that we, as a majority are thoughtless and selfish. >> It is only the minority leaders of today's politics >> that tend to display these atributes. >> >> What do you think? What ideas can any one else >> think >> of to help minority groups push for reform in areas >> that are important to them? >> >> A very important point lance, Thankyou. >> " >> >> >> > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > ------------------------------------------------------- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words: unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." 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