Ben,
the finite amount of white men in the corporate world (fro rememberthat
corporate only makes upa very finiteamount of thepopulatiuon run that world.
They are NOT all white men - Im tired of the rhetoric blaming white men for
evrything I think its absolute bull shit. Ifthis was so whywould be dying
earlier (much earlier) why would be committing suicide at a significantly
higher rate, why are we basically being told we should be testubes.
No sorry I have just spent three years in Social Science academia and I
dontagree with what is being espoused what so ever. You only need to look at
the statistics to see the reality of the situation.
Instead of blaming a gender for the inhumanity to man and generalising what
about getting back to some reality and doing someting about the problems in
society.
The blame needs to lay fairly and squarely (if anywhere at all) on the
political system of beliefs that we have developed. Until we have a truly
socially democratic system nothing will change.
Regards,Lance
(Stop blaming males society)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Wadham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Males
> Lance
>
> As a white man it is the culture of masculinity that I live in which
causes
> me a lot of grief. Certainly, Aboriginal men are highly disadvantaged, no
> question, but as I've grown up its been the highly competitive,
aggressive,
> adversarial culture of masculinity that has made me want to work for
change.
> I think changing men is a very important challenge and one that would
> improve social justice across the globe. White men remain in charge of the
> western world and its globalising forces, its predominantly white men and
> other men who run the multinational corporate sector. And women get caught
> up in this, but it isnt their birthright as it is for most men. Stamp out
> hegemonic masculinity - that's my motto! To say that males in our culture
> don't have voice is like saying the colour white has no meaning in our
> culture.
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lance Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:38 PM
> Subject: [recoznet2] Males
>
>
> > Trudy,
> > If I was female I would be asking what about the females wheres their
> > voice?. Would you see this as a problem too?
> > I dont have a problem with asking for males to speak up, because in the
> > field of human endeavours they are few and far between. That doesn't
> > discount your gender from commenting....my personal aim however is to
> > encourage males to speak up.
> > I didn't start the gender wars however I'm a victim of it, ...now I want
> to
> > be a survivor....My aim in life is existing for men thats my language
> thats
> > my state of being. Ive spent quite a of time now looking at the
> statistics
> > in this country and males are not doing well at and especially
aboriginal
> > males so when ever I talk about things on issues I will push for the
> plight
> > of males, because thats what I know about.
> > This is the same thing women have done with feminist thought. I make no
> > apology for this.
> > When aboriginal men regain their sense of dignity and self - worth in
> > society then we will have some equity happening.
> > Sorry if this upsets you Trudy but until its accepted and theres'
> something
> > done about Im not about to change my view on this.
> > As a male I dont think you or any feminist can see me as an equal
person.
> > Because you blame my gender for everything that is wrong in society,
this
> > hurts us as males and because we dont have the same communication style
> that
> > you do we are already in a position of subservience.
> > You will notice that I talk about my own gender because I cannot be
> female.
> > I'm male and I come from that perpective.
> > Regards,
> > Lance.
> >
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