For those interested, I've just tracked down a website for the group who ran
the deliberative poll -
http://www.i-d-a.com.au/presentations.htm
Gives quite a bit of info and might be a good starting point for people
trying to judge it as a process. One thing it indicates is that WA's were
included, Ian. I also agree with you when you say: "It (the poll)
certainly does not indicate public sentiment, only what could possibly have
been."
Tim
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From: Ian Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: SMH - 'Yes' case on its last legs, say
strategists
>I have wondered if any Western Australians were included in the
>'deliberative poll'. In a State where daylight saving has been rejected on
>the basis of it 'fading the curtains' surely even an intense education
>programme similar to the deliberative poll would fail. Yet we in the West
>will play a vital role in determining whether we become a republic or not.
>Dont forget my vote as a resident of W.A. is worth four times that of a
>similar person in N.S.W.
>
>Under normal circumstances the 'deliberative poll' as a methodological tool
>is admirable. Everything else being equal, it shows that a cool
articulation
>of circumstance and predictions would, in this case, and if a similar
>exercise was carried out, result in a 'Yes' vote. Similarly, if the same
>exercise had been carried out in regard to the GST that tax system would
>have been blown out of the water. The whole methodology is based upon that
>well worn adage of democracy: making an informed decision. Unfortunately,
>politicians see this adage as an inhibiter to progress and Howard has
>brought the antonym to this adage to an art form.
>
>Also unfortunately, this 'poll' has occurred far to late to implement its
>findings and it is to the everlasting disgrace of the 'No voters in
>including the P.M.' that such an education campaign cannot be waged. It
>certainly does not indicate public sentiment, only what could possibly have
>been.
>
>Howard is a consummate politician. He can read the electorate better than
>most and in both the republic issue and the GST he correctly perceived that
>if the electorate had the information he would lose. So, by the use of
undue
>haste and confusion he effectively neutralised arguments against his bogus
>claims. We now see why the GST was brought in, not as the Democrats were
>hoodwinked into believing, but to subsidise the insatiable needs of
business
>for less responsibility for tax.
>
>Back in the fifties I was designing a supermarket for Foodland. This was at
>the time a new concept so much research was needed by myself. One of the
>statements made to me stayed impeccably in my mind: 'The concept of a
>supermarket is based on one axiom, a person can only remember the price of
>five to six items, so this enables the introduction of price confusion,
>prices are changed randomly. The customers never are allowed to establish a
>set price for any item. Is there a correct price? When these sort of
>discussions come up I always ask the question: "Who knows the correct price
>for petrol per litre?"
>
>The concepts I heard articulated in the fifties in relation to supermarkets
>are alive and well. One can see them in use all over. Particularly, they
>have been utilised to good effect by politicians of all persuasions.
>
>________________________________________________
>Ian Henderson Murdoch University
>24 Harfleur Place Murdoch 6150
>Hamilton Hill Tel: 61 8 94183972
>Western Australia 6163 Fax:61 8 93606575
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>
>'Freedom is having nothing left to fear.'
>_________________________________________________
>
>Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: SMH - 'Yes' case on its last legs, say
>strategists
>
>
>> Tim,
>> Your position is entrenched and so are many others. I just want to
mention
>that Anthony Green called the
>> 'deliberative poll' a social experiment and not a poll.
>> A lot of people would disagree with you also about the 'poll' being
>properly representative.
>
>
>
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