I sat and read through all the e-mails first with the intention of replying 
to them all - those that had related to my e-mails.

Until I came to this one from Sandy which said:

"But do we really have, as an email list, to go through this
"education" of an antagonistic newcomer once again?  This will be
the third time, and no good ever comes of it.
(And it does indeed seem to happen when the gov't is up to
something horrible and dramatic:  this time,  they're rolling back
the influence of the UN in Australia while getting tough with
refugees.  And Labor is softening up on indigenous land rights.
And we're supposed to try to explain ourselves to Kasey?  Jeez.)"


Thank you very much for making me feel like crap as a young person trying to 
get a grasp of things happening in this country. If you are fed up with 
having to 'educate' a newcomer then why did you even bother commenting??
I thought this was supposed to be a discussion group yet you are not even 
willing to 'explain' (as you so put it) anything to me especially 
considering I've been a member for, what, less than a week?!?!
At least everyone else has been fairly good in talking and discussing 
things. I didn't realise I had been so 'antagonistic' that I'd offended you, 
because I obviously did something wrong.
I just want to learn about things that I am very unclear about.
And I won't apologise for having my own opinion on things but I came to this 
discussion group to learn. I've been reading all the e-mails with great 
interest and thinking everything over and began asking some questions.
Now, after your nasty little e-mail - and that's exactly how it sounded - 
I'm not so sure if this is such a friendly site after all. I thought 
reconciliation was about recognising everyone's differences and learning 
from one another so that we all understand better.
If you are not willing to give someone a bit of a go, then perhaps you 
should not be on this site.
Why should I be tarnished with the same brush as the other two newcomers you 
mentioned whom you obviously did not like (QUOTE FROM SANDY: This will be 
the third time, and no good ever comes of it)
Sounds to me like you have just pre-judged me, and in a very negative way. 
I'm sorry for wasting your time. Now I do now how Aboriginals feel.
Thanks.

Thanks Sandy for your welcoming mat - and beating it over my head!!
How do I unsubscribe form this list??

Kasey


>From: "Sandy Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Aid to the civil authority
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:00:57 +1000
>
>Kasey, I think I DID say:  presumption of innocence and right to a
>fair trial.
>
>And, Graham:  Police would be the first to say they are not social
>workers.  Social workers would be the first to say they are not
>police.  We encourage the muddying of those professional
>boundaries at our own risk.
>
>Sandy wrote:
>"diverted" into various
> >rehab programs BEFORE they are found guilty of anything.  And
> >who's to do the diverting?  The police.  Because they suspect
> >someone of being up to something.  Absolutely no presumption of
> >innocence.
>
> > "So in 2000 in this country the government is putting into place a
> > mechanism to completely deny its citizens  what we thought was a basic
> > civil liberty."
>
>Kasey asked:
>
> > Exactly which civil liberty are you talking about here? You don't say.
>
>
>But do we really have, as an email list, to go through this
>"education" of an antagonistic newcomer once again?  This will be
>the third time, and no good ever comes of it.
>
>(And it does indeed seem to happen when the gov't is up to
>something horrible and dramatic:  this time,  they're rolling back
>the influence of the UN in Australia while getting tough with
>refugees.  And Labor is softening up on indigenous land rights.
>And we're supposed to try to explain ourselves to Kasey?  Jeez.)
>
>Sandy
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