João, I have to agree with these guys. I had some more time to think about this since last night, and I think that if you had more time on your project it would make a lot of sense to use Red5. However, given your time constraints and your lack of knowledge about these technologies, it is just too risky in my opinion.
Perhaps you can just get the current project done with the technologies that you currently know, and then convince the client to do an upgrade at a later point to add the other features that will require a server like Red5. Then you can make the switch. At any rate, good luck with whatever solution you choose. -Chris On 9/15/06, Johannes Nel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i agree. you are setting yourself up to fail. go with what you know as you > will be able to at least estimate how long things will take you > > > On 9/15/06, Dominick Accattato <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > I'm gonna give this a go. There are no easy answers for you but the > situation your in does frighten me, read on: > > > On 9/15/06, João Saleiro < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > i am now giving the first steps with Red5. I have some several (newbie) > > questions, and some of them may seem a bit stupid.... sorry for that :| > > I want to be sure of certain things before starting to use Red5 on my > > current project which has a very tight deadline. > > > Despite your conviction and dedication, it seems you could set yourself up > for disaster. > > > First, my scenario. I want to change my current framework (php+AMFPHP) > > for RIA's development for a much more solid alternative using agile > > techniques. I want to use Java and to hook up Spring, Hibernate and Red5 > > or openAMF. > > > You just named 4 technologies. Each will take a good amout of time to > master. > > > The current project is onFashion.pt v2, which is a portuguese fashion > > portal. The main problems with this project are the tight deadlines, the > > responsibility, the fact of having an high visibility, and the huge > > number of simultaneous users that can occur each time onFashion is > > publicized on TV. But the biggest problem is that the project's name is > > bigger than itself: we have only two programmers, lack of money, lack of > > resources and lack of time... but i know we will succeed. ;) > > > Two programmers and very little money. If your willing to build a project > of this size then you shouldn't sell yourself short. > > > For onFashion I would use Red5 for one or more of the following 5 cases, > > depending on how Red5 behaves, and my ability to use it: > > a) to retrieve data to the client using normal Flash Remoting services > > and AMF data; > > b) to stream some flv's already stored on the server, currently being > > served with progressive download; > > c) to have a video chat on the site where visitors can make questions > > and talk to a top model; > > > 700 simultaneous video chats will kill the server. Your gonna have to build > some business rules in here and those will be very time consuming, and > they're gonna be hard to sell to your boss. > > > d) to use Red5 to push data to the administrators using the backoffice > > (keeping the administrators (~15) synchronized, when they are using the > > application features of onFashion) > > e) to use Red5 to push data to *every* connected client (estimated of > > 700 simultaneous users) to keep them synchronized with the server data > > (for example, if a "top model" is inserted on the database, all the > > visitors would have their interface automatically updated without > > needing to poll data). --- Utopia?? :) > > > > (1) Possibilities > > The first question is simple: is the current state of Red5 stable enough > > to use on a production server with a huge number of simultaneous > > visitors, on all or some of the previous scenarios? Are there scenarios > > too much risky to try? Would you use Red5 for all them right now, or > > would you wait until 0.6? > > > > (2) Deployment > > Ok, this is really a newbie question. I used Java a lot some years ago, > > but never for web development. For that, i've always used PHP or ASP > > (you are free to insult me... :P). So, this may not be specifically a > > Red5 question. If i want to deploy Red5 on a common web hosting account, > > will i need some "special" settings? Will eapps ( www.eapps.com) do the > > trick? If yes, will I need a specific plan > > (http://www.eapps.com/Docs/Documents.jsp ) or any of them > will work? Do > > you recommend any common web hosting (cheap)? > > > There are no current hosting providers, however this will change. Currently > you would have to have a dedicated server, and setup Red5 yourself. > > > ----- note: this does not > > apply for onFashion.pt, but for future minor projects. onFashion.pt is > > hosted on SAPO.pt so server settings and bandwidth shouldn't be a problem. > > > > (3) AMF services implementation > > Is AMF services usage similar to the openAMF one? I guess i've read > > somewhere that Red5 AMF implementation is similar to openAMF (maybe i'm > > wrong...). Is this true? > > > > (4) Firewalls and other considerations > > There will be a huge number of visitors, with a lot of different kinds > > of configurations and systems, but i want to make sure that every of > > them (with FP8 installed...) will be able to use onFashion.pt. Do i need > > to have any special kind of consideration while using Red5? (for > > example, for users behind firewalls or gateways dropping RTMP traffic) > > > There is RTMPT (tunnelling) > > > Do you think that it is risky to change all my current working workflow > > to spring+hibernate+Red5 - not in terms of development time, but in > > terms of stability on high traffic scenarios? > > > I think this is pretty risky. You would need more time, developers, and > experience with the preceeding technologies. As well, there isn't much > documentation for Red5 yet and things are guaranteed to change as we move > forward to 1.0 so you have to keep this in mind. > > > Thank you all for your attention, and once again i'm sorry for making > > this kind of newbie questions... :) > > > > Joao, I'm glad your checking out Red5, but I think you should do some > personal development with those technologies before you get in too deep. > Also, if your working with the technologies you just mentioned, then you > would deserve more money than it sounds they're willing to pay. > > > João Saleiro > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Red5 mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Red5 mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > > > > > -- > j:pn > http://www.lennel.org > > _______________________________________________ > Red5 mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org > > > _______________________________________________ Red5 mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
